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    JM is selective in scripture and yet ignores scripture like giving everything away which Jesus taught
    He also lies about the gifts of the Spirit ending which is a grievous sin

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    JM is selective in scripture and yet ignores scripture like giving everything away which Jesus taught
    He also lies about the gifts of the Spirit ending which is a grievous sin
    Where does Jesus tell everyone to give everything away. (Q: have you done that?)

    He has said that the office of Apostle and Prophet were only for the early church, yes.

    Given the pack of lies told by those self claiming to be prophets and put on pedestals by the masses over the last year there's a lot of explaining to do.

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    ^^^
    If you knew the scriptures you wouldn't need to ask the above and defend JM

    Is JM a cessationist in regard to gifts of the Spirit?

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    ^^^
    If you knew the scriptures you wouldn't need to ask the above and defend JM

    Is JM a cessationist in regard to gifts of the Spirit?
    If you knew the Scriptures I wouldn't have to ask you to point me to them twice. And you would have done as commanded yourself or you wouldn't dare ask about someone else.

    I believe he is a cessationist. But of what value is knowing that to you? Would you actually listen to / read why he believes the Gifts are not for today (a hard thing to do I admit) or would you just rather watch people swing coats, or squirt water pistols, or laugh maniacally, or call in angels from Africa, or claim demons create storms, or claim God has told them stuff when history proves that it's just lie after lie after lie.

    OH!, and I asked in another thread where are all the great healing miracle workers healing hundreds after hundreds of Covid sufferers as miracle workers should be able to. Not happening is it.

    Sorta supports the cessationist position doesn't it if it's not happening.

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    Basically the above is a emotional response with no substance.

    You have said you believe in the gifts today.
    JM doesn't believe in the gifts and preaches to many

    Is JM teaching people error and false doctrine in regard to cessationism?

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    Is JM teaching people error and false doctrine in regard to cessationism?
    You still haven't pointed to the Scripture you claim exist and I've asked for three times now.

    Given the current "success" of the existing bunch of prophets and people with healing ministries I'd suggest "No". Have you any evidence to suggest otherwise?

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    So basically you look to the outward instead of what scripture teaches and you have challenged people here not to do that

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    So basically you look to the outward instead of what scripture teaches and you have challenged people here not to do that
    Scripture teaches that prophets get it right. Scripture teaches that when people are prayed for by someone with the gift of healing they get healed (but in James we see that that's already changed).

    People are claiming to be prophets but getting it wrong. People are claiming to be able to heal but when it comes to a time like this when they are needed
    they're no where to be seen.

    A true Church would discipline those who prove themselves to be false.

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    Don't change the subject to public prophesies that were inaccurate

    You know I am referring to the cessation of gifts as taught by JM and others. You either believe the gifts of the Spirit ceased or you don't.

    Do you believe in the full cessation of the 9 gifts like JM and that they ceased at the death of the apostles???

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    Don't change the subject to public prophesies that were inaccurate
    Not inaccuracies tT-20%, God is not inaccurate. God is never inaccurate and so neither were any of His prophets. They were lies and we know who the father of lies is. (Though they could have made the lies up because they knew that that was what people wanted to hear).

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    You know I am referring to the cessation of gifts as taught by JM and others. You either believe the gifts of the Spirit ceased or you don't.
    Or the jury can still be out. Have you actually sat down and listened to his teaching?

    I'm like a lot of people. 1st generation Christian saved in a Charismatic/Pentecostal Church and told that the gifts were for today, having nothing else to go by, and having no reason to believe that what I was being told wasn't the truth I believed it. But then you find out that your leaders have no formal Biblical training and can't exegesis Scripture but are more likely to have an idea and try find Scripture to support it i.e. eisegesis. And they never tell you that other people have other ideas which they believe they can support from Scripture very well. So I'm still wading through the water on this one.

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    Do you believe in the full cessation of the 9 gifts like JM and that they ceased at the death of the apostles???
    The word "full" makes a difference. I don't think so. But a question TT, what exactly are the Gifts? OK we have English words for them, but no where in the Bible do we get details on how things are meant to work. Do we not get details because we don't need them?

    You don't like the subject of public prophesy, but it's a very good example. Scripture says that if a prophet prophesies and it doesn't come true then that was not from God, he is a false prophet. But people these days say that's not how it works in the NT. Where do they get that idea? It's not in the Bible. So it's made up. So it's a lie. You don't go swimming when there's sharks in the water TT. Get rid of the sharks, the charlatans, the entertainers, the motivational speakers. Bring order and discipline. Have teachers that understand Scripture, not cherry pickers. Properly exegesis why the Gifts are for today properly explaining the points that others who disagree make (in a home meeting I once heard a woman teach on why women can teach without referencing 1 Timothy 2:11-14. At Bible School another woman taught on the same subject starting at Galatians 3:28 which is a verse about salvation. They're cherry pickers TT, this is eisegesis not exegesis). Get some proper teachers to say exactly what Scripture says and we can go from there.

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