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    Greater Judgement for False Teachers Than False Prophets !

    James 3:1 Do not be eager, my brethren, for many among you to become teachers; for you know that we teachers shall undergo severer judgement.False prophesy and false prophets are easy to see and dismiss. But false teachers like John MacArthur who add their false teaching to the truths of God's Word are going to suffer more than any false prophets on the Bema Seat judgement day. He and other false teachers have preached the cessationist doctrine to millions. This has robbed many of a true representation of the God Head and their power to Bless lives. It is actually blasphemous what MacArthur says about the Holy Spirit and His Gifts. He and many other mockers will hang their heads in shame when their false teachings are judged on that DAY !

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    Amen. There is a stern awakening for him and Hankie Hannegraff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    But false teachers like John MacArthur who add their false teaching to the truths of God's Word are going to suffer more than any false prophets on the Bema Seat judgement day. He and other false teachers have preached the cessationist doctrine to millions. This has robbed many of a true representation of the God Head and their power to Bless lives. It is actually blasphemous what MacArthur says about the Holy Spirit and His Gifts. He and many other mockers will hang their heads in shame when their false teachings are judged on that DAY !
    Seems an uneven match LH.

    The teacher has to study the Scriptures, getting to understand as much as possible, not just cherry picking verses but knowing the background behind each book and what it was addressing and what not (e.g. Romans mentions divorce, but it's used as an example of something, it's not teaching on it, that's elsewhere) and what the Holy Spirit/author meant to say. Then he has to link the teachings that are on the same subject together, both OT and NT, and come up with an understanding that is consistent with all Scripture, then he has to try put it into words that people of various levels of understanding will understand. Being but a man he will realise his frailty and that he will not always be right on everything but still it's a responsibility he must accept.

    The prophet on the other hand
    - just has to sit there till the word of the Lord comes (see 103 references BibleGateway - Keyword Search: "word of the lord came" - yes I know that's cherry picking).
    - as a real prophet he will be 110% sure it's the Lord speaking.
    - as a real prophet he'll repeat these words to whom they're meant for (and only to them) with 110% accuracy.
    - because he's a real prophet everything he says will come 110% true, though sometimes like ?Daniel? that may not be for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    James 3:1 Do not be eager, my brethren, for many among you to become teachers; for you know that we teachers shall undergo severer judgement. False prophesy and false prophets are easy to see and dismiss.
    Do you have any links to where anyone saw and dismissed the false prophesies about Pres. Trump being re-elected in 2020? I suspect you would have posted such an important thing here but as I'm unsure what to search on could you point me to that thread please.

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    (I changed a word, but you get the drift)

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    I am more concerned with false teachers like your Calvinistic ones. I have posted many times about the false Trump prophecies. It seems like you are trying to clean up the camp you are not even involved in at all. Why don't you go on a campaign against the false teachers in your camp? It would be more profitable than what your doing now.

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    How many people's blood will be upon JM hands because they believed him when he said you can still be saved if you take the mark of the beast, which is totally contrary to the written word of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    How many people's blood will be upon JM hands because they believed him when he said you can still be saved if you take the mark of the beast, which is totally contrary to the written word of God.
    I don't think I've watched that so will have to. It will be interesting to see what he says. (Note, I just watched it, it's only 1m20s).

    What does JMac say? To "once a person takes the mark is there any possibility of him coming to Christ?" he says "yes".

    I guess back to you is "What does the Bible say that contradicts that? Or, where does the Bible say that if a non-Christian takes the mark of the beast it precludes them from being saved? Where does the Bible say that this is the unpardonable sin?"

    JMac may be wrong, he's only human. But as a teacher he has reportedly S.T.U.D.I.E.D (emphasis intentional) the Bible an average 25-30 hours a week for the last 40+ years which is the equivalent of 6 years non-stop 24 hours per day. This is said to suggest that he should know a bit about the Bible. Apparently "He (recently) finished his 42-year journey of preaching through the New Testament verse-by-verse", but again that does not mean he knows everything and if he's missed it then that makes him incorrect. But it is known that teachers will sometimes be incorrect. If he knew it was incorrect and still said it then that would be false. But only on that point. It doesn't make him a false teacher. False teachers serve their own appetites and use words to attract and retain others not for the sake of Christ but for their own sake. They don't say things people dislike, they say what the people want to hear.

    This is different to prophets, because anyone who has S.T.U.D.I.E.D Scripture would notice two differences. Firstly when a person prophesies he is not speaking his own words, not things he's studied, not things he has to interpret to understand, but clear words directly from God. The second difference is that these words will always be correct, 100% correct, because God does not lie. No Bible prophet ever got it wrong. No prophet ever gets it wrong. If a teacher teaches otherwise he is incorrect. If he insists on it he's approaching falsehood just like the prophet who prophesies incorrectly is false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I have posted many times about the false Trump prophecies.
    I'm not saying you didn't post about false Trump prophesies, I am just asking for links to where you did given you said that "prophesy and false prophets are easy to see and dismiss". As one of them (KK) claims that "He (God) assured me in 2015 that Trump would sit in the White House for eight years" and another (SR) has been saying the same thing since 2017 from memory, there should be a few you can point me to. One site claiming to be Pentecostal/ Charismatic list these 12 as having done so and therefore being false prophets. Pat Robertson, Paula White-Cain, Kris Vallotton, Mark Taylor, Kat Kerr, Marcus Rogers, Kevin Zadai, Greg Locke, Taribo West, Denise Goulet, Curt Landry, Jeremiah Johnson. Another starts with this image. I'm not sure if it means they all did as there's not enough text to verify it.

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    Based on the reality that "prophesy and false prophets are easy to see and dismiss", and there have been so many, is it too much to ask where you've identified and dismissed them, just over the last 6 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    I am more concerned with false teachers like your Calvinistic ones. ... It seems like you are trying to clean up the camp you are not even involved in at all. Why don't you go on a campaign against the false teachers in your camp? It would be more profitable than what your doing now.
    Some characteristics of false teachers are (link)
    - He is a minister of unbelief
    - His focus is on an earthly kingdom
    - He is an opportunist
    - He makes grandiose promises he cannot fulfil
    - He fabricates his own message
    - He will purposefully and skilfully twist scripture
    - He will tolerate sin and deny the order of God's design
    - His prayers are self-centered
    - He seeks to throw people into confusion and discouragement
    - He will compromise the truth.

    In the OP you spoke of "false teachers like John MacArthur who add their false teaching to the truths of God's Word". Given that you have publicly proclaimed before men, angels, and God that JMac is a false teacher can you provide evidence against the 10 points above to support that statement (I was going to say accusation, but you've gone past that). It would be amiss of me to "campaign against ... false teachers" without evidence.

    Thanks in advance.

    P.S. I'm not saying you don't think JMac is incorrect on some things. That's obvious. In that case one can say that they disagree with the person or think they're incorrect. But in saying one is a false teacher we've moved from back yard games to the Major League; from a stick and a ball to million dollar players.

    P.P.S. You could always admit you went too far, repent, and go quiet for a while. Unfortunately those you seem to admire haven't provided a very good example of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    How many people's blood will be upon JM hands because they believed him when he said you can still be saved if you take the mark of the beast, which is totally contrary to the written word of God.
    Smitty here's a video made in response to ones like the one you linked above. It looks at the issue from a wider angle. It looks at a number of Scriptures, not just the one in which the word "mark" occurs.



    No surprises when you look at the comments following the video. With so many of them I have to ask "did you listen to the video?". But a side note because it's relevant, I suspect that most of the commenters reject election. They would say that "all" can be saved. They worry about kids and babies and the aborted and people who have never heard the Gospel, but then they have set up a group of people who they say can never be saved.

    One of the reasons I'm guessing JMac would have said "yes" is that reformed theology recognises that God has no limits. He can save who He wishes. Reformed theology understands God as seeing everyone the same, as unregenerate sinners. It does not need to invent conditions to cover those on the fringes who cannot "believe and repent".

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