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    Okay, let's examine some of the statements. Dr. Johan Denis says that the vaccine could make you a puppet controlled by a your own smartphone and 5G technology by means of artificial intelligence. Dr. Buttar also speculates that 5G causes COVID symptoms and even brings chemtrails into the discussion. There's nothing wrong with holding to conspiracy theories if there is evidence behind the theory. There are some conspiracy theories that I think are valid. But a conspiracy buff is somebody who holds to a theory because of a distrust of authority rather than because there is actual evidence pointing to a conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    Okay, let's examine some of the statements. Dr. Johan Denis says that the vaccine could make you a puppet controlled by a your own smartphone and 5G technology by means of artificial intelligence. Dr. Buttar also speculates that 5G causes COVID symptoms and even brings chemtrails into the discussion. There's nothing wrong with holding to conspiracy theories if there is evidence behind the theory. There are some conspiracy theories that I think are valid. But a conspiracy buff is somebody who holds to a theory because of a distrust of authority rather than because there is actual evidence pointing to a conspiracy.
    ....in your humble opinion, of course.

    Good thing we're all allowed to have an opinion.

    Maybe they promote the things they do because they have dug in deep and actually have evidence for what they say but can't present it all in a short video with multiple speakers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    Okay, let's examine some of the statements. Dr. Johan Denis says that the vaccine could make you a puppet controlled by a your own smartphone and 5G technology by means of artificial intelligence. Dr. Buttar also speculates that 5G causes COVID symptoms and even brings chemtrails into the discussion. There's nothing wrong with holding to conspiracy theories if there is evidence behind the theory. There are some conspiracy theories that I think are valid. But a conspiracy buff is somebody who holds to a theory because of a distrust of authority rather than because there is actual evidence pointing to a conspiracy.
    That's a reasonable approach to these things but if you dig a little bit I don't know if they are saying that these things are certain or if these things are possible. With mRNA vaccines the little "m" means "messenger" which certainly is genetic tinkering. From Modernas own web site the process is explained.

    Through a process known as transcription, an RNA copy of a DNA sequence for creating a given protein is made.

    This copy – mRNA – travels from the nucleus of the cell to the part of the cell known as the cytoplasm, which houses ribosomes. Ribosomes are complex machinery in the cells that are responsible for making proteins.

    Then, through another process known as translation, ribosomes 'read' the mRNA, and follow the instructions, creating the protein step by step.

    The cell then expresses the protein and it, in turn, carries out its designated function in the cell or the body.

    mRNA Science and Function: What Does mRNA Do? - Moderna
    In essence they are re-programming your DNA by sending it messages. Now, could they also send other messages to your DNA with this technology? It sure sounds like it, perhaps alter proteins that affect brain functions, reproductive functions? What if they weaponized this technology, programmed the DNA, which is essentially who we are to ignore fear, well at that point you'd have the makings of a super soldier. The possibilities are endless with this stuff and we are only relying on so-called "ethicists" and governmental regulatory bodies to keep things in check. Will countries like China play by the same rules we do? Who knows but these things are indeed here now and the potential, not the certainty exists for these "vaccines" to be abused in many ways.

    I'm not saying that the current MessengerRNA vaccines are going to make us mindless zombies but I do think that there are some very real possibilities for abuse if they are widely accepted. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss concerns about the possibilities as "conspiracy theories".

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    That's a reasonable approach to these things but if you dig a little bit I don't know if they are saying that these things are certain or if these things are possible. With mRNA vaccines the little "m" means "messenger" which certainly is genetic tinkering. From Modernas own web site the process is explained.

    Through a process known as transcription, an RNA copy of a DNA sequence for creating a given protein is made.

    This copy – mRNA – travels from the nucleus of the cell to the part of the cell known as the cytoplasm, which houses ribosomes. Ribosomes are complex machinery in the cells that are responsible for making proteins.

    Then, through another process known as translation, ribosomes 'read' the mRNA, and follow the instructions, creating the protein step by step.

    The cell then expresses the protein and it, in turn, carries out its designated function in the cell or the body.

    mRNA Science and Function: What Does mRNA Do? - Moderna

    In essence they are re-programming your DNA by sending it messages. Now, could they also send other messages to your DNA with this technology? .....

    I am no expert, but DNA is in the nucleus of the cell, whereas ribosomes for making proteins are in the outer part of the cell, so I don't know if it actually messes with your DNA.


    Just an observation.





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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    I am no expert, but DNA is in the nucleus of the cell, whereas ribosomes for making proteins are in the outer part of the cell, so I don't know if it actually messes with your DNA.


    Just an observation.





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    Yeah, everything I've read is saying "we don't alter DNA but we sort of alter DNA" so it's a bit of mumbo jumbo.

    Looking again at how Moderna explains it, the question mark is mine..

    Doctors Speak-moderna-mrna-science-04-04_0-jpg

    https://www.modernatx.com/sites/defa...ce-04-04_0.jpg

    It certainly appears to interface with your DNA.

    I've also said elsewhere that if this is effective and works as claimed it could be a major break through in preventing all manner of disease including cancers and other "untreatable" sickness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Yeah, everything I've read is saying "we don't alter DNA but we sort of alter DNA" so it's a bit of mumbo jumbo.

    Looking again at how Moderna explains it, the question mark is mine..

    Doctors Speak-moderna-mrna-science-04-04_0-jpg

    https://www.modernatx.com/sites/defa...ce-04-04_0.jpg

    It certainly appears to interface with your DNA.

    I think what the photo shows is how they make it.

    They take some DNA and then make or separate out some RNA and then that is injected - to talk to your ribosomes to make the "correct" proteins.






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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post


    ...I've also said elsewhere that if this is effective and works as claimed it could be a major break through in preventing all manner of disease including cancers and other "untreatable" sickness.
    This also is true.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    I think what the photo shows is how they make it.

    They take some DNA and then make or separate out some RNA and then that is injected - to talk to your ribosomes to make the "correct" proteins.

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    Well ......

    Learn about messenger RNA's role in human biology, the instructions it provides that direct cells in the body to make proteins, and why we believe mRNA medicines may have the potential to treat a broad array of diseases.
    Well, again, they seem to be saying two things, they are introducing an instruction sets to your body. Who knows what other instruction sets are available. If I'm not mistaken I believe it is our DNA that signals our cells to do certain things. It all sounds like a bit of double talking.

    It sounds like a red herring anyway discussing RNA/DNA, the bottom line is that they are re-programming your body in new ways.


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    Well ......



    Well, again, they seem to be saying two things, they are introducing an instruction sets to your body. Who knows what other instruction sets are available. If I'm not mistaken I believe it is our DNA that signals our cells to do certain things. It all sounds like a bit of double talking.
    I think it's a one way flow of information to make proteins.

    I'm under the impression that what happens is that our DNA doesn't make the "right" RNA to give the instructions to the ribosomes to make the "right" proteins to fight the virus.

    They bypass or skip the DNA and instead jump in and introduce instructions for the new RNA

    I think.

    That about all I got.





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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Well ......


    Well, again, they seem to be saying two things, they are introducing an instruction sets to your body. Who knows what other instruction sets are available. If I'm not mistaken I believe it is our DNA that signals our cells to do certain things. It all sounds like a bit of double talking.

    It sounds like a red herring anyway discussing RNA/DNA, the bottom line is that they are re-programming your body in new ways.
    I'm not dismissing it lightly or discounting the possibility of abuse, just trying to understand the actual process more clearly.

    Personally, I haven't even thought much about it at all, and by nature I don't like to take things.

    I will pray about it if and when it ever becomes an issue for me.



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