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    Calvinist Tactics Exposed


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    Thanks LionHeart.

    Only 1hr 19m long, but I thought I had time to watch it while waiting for the plumber to fix a pipe. Things happened though and I haven't got to 19 mins yet.

    I think it will be worth watching the rest from a Reformed Theology side just to see how someone anti-Reformed Doctrine see it and our attempts to explain it.

    Actually from what I've so far heard the speaker knows a lot of general stuff about Reformed Theology, even though some of his understandings are incorrect. Sadly he rejects it.

    But may I quote some things I've heard in just the first quarter of the video that leads me to suggest that the speaker is very anti-Reformed Theology.

    The second thing I noticed is the speaker (I don't think he is identified) talks about those with Reformed beliefs pigeonholing people, i.e. suggesting that their beliefs are Pelagium, semi-Pelagium. Weslean etc., but that is exactly what he did while I was listening to him, continually saying Calvinists, Calvinists, Calvinists, as you will see below. If he doesn't think it should be done they why does he do it?

    Anyway some more things that are said:


    • He says that only the immature Christians get tricked into believing Calvinism then come out of it once they're mature.
    • Calls reformed arguments Satanic.
    • Says there's no scripture that supports reformed theology. None at all.
    • Says no one became a Calvinist by reading Bible.
    • Call Calvinists liars, ignorant and or egotistical or a combination thereof.
    • Definitively states that Calvinism is against Scripture.
    • Says something other than Scripture is the Calvinist's authority
    • Call the Calvinist approach ABS (Anything But Scripture). Accuses Calvinists of beating people around.
    • Says Calvinists never use scripture contextually.
    • At 11m 50s finally mentions a Scripture. Doesn't read it though.
    • Says Calvinism is cleaver philosophical reasons why scripture is not true.
    • Says Calvinist position does not believe scripture.
    • At 13m 16s finally reads a verse. He then interprets it as a Reformed theologian would but ignores any qualifying Scripture that a Reformed theologian would raise to assist in the understanding of that Scripture.
    • Says Calvinists try to steer people away from scripture.
    • Says Calvinists need to believe Scripture is not true or lying or at best misleading.
    • He also says that God does all he can to save believers. (Sorry but a believer is saved. God is now sanctifying living believers).


    Yep, and that's just the first quarter of the video.

    Towards the end of what I've listened to the speaker brought up the Reformed believers highlighting the sinfulness of man (I've done that recently haven't I Colonel ). He then references Acts 10 speaking of Cornelius as "a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually" (v2) which he obviously is. But he then goes on to say that he's not "totally depraved" is he? Well sorry, yes he is, it's just that the speaker never cared to actually discover what Reformed believers mean when they say "totally depraved". What the doctrine of total depravity asserts is that people are, as a result of the fall, not inclined or even able to love God wholly with heart, mind, and strength, but rather are inclined by nature to serve their own will and desires and reject his rule. It's about our heart attitude to God, not if we do good and neighbourly things or not. (This highlights the problems of trying to discuss another's beliefs when you don't actually know what they believe).

    Just FYI, here's some screen shots from the background to the video:

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    This was a the centre of the screen stating that Reformed Theology is a philosophy that is Anything But Scripture.

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    Yep, that's actually on the screen. But there's worse.

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    Yep he actually has that up there, and it's there for most of the 1hr 20m.

    Not the most pleasant fellow in the world in my eyes. And the saddest thing is that Reformed beliefs are actually centered on God, based on God's Word, and committed to faith in Jesus Christ.
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    I'll agree that Reformed theology as a whole has far more Biblical merit than Cessationism. In the sense that it intersects with the actual Truth and there is interesting stuff to discuss. It's a matter of comparing something to nothing though.

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    I didn't get very far listening to this guy. He erroneously said that Calvinists do their dirty work within the church, not among the unsaved. Oh really? Some of the greatest evangelists of all time have been Calvinists. George Whitefield is a prime example. Jonathan Edwards, not so much an evangelist, but hardly a "cancer" on the church as the author claims of Calvinists. What of Spurgeon? Hardly a cancer! Are J.I. Packer, R.C. Sproul, and John Piper "cancers" in the church? This guy needs to take a lesson from Arminian John Wesley who loved and appreciated Calvinist Whitefield, despite their doctrinal differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I didn't get very far listening to this guy. He erroneously said that Calvinists do their dirty work within the church, not among the unsaved. Oh really? Some of the greatest evangelists of all time have been Calvinists. George Whitefield is a prime example. Jonathan Edwards, not so much an evangelist, but hardly a "cancer" on the church as the author claims of Calvinists. Neither are J.I. Packer, R.C. Sproul, and John Piper "cancers" in the church. This guy needs to take a lesson from Arminian John Wesley who loved and appreciated Calvinist Whitefield, despite their doctrinal differences.
    Another couple of guys who are friends and appreciate each others position can be heard on this video.

    This is actually a discussion between two people "based on mutual respect rather than antagonism". There is lots of laughter and they agree on a lot and disagree on a lot. Although friends the would not attend each others church but would go to the pub together, one having a beer and the other a Pepsi (he's a Baptist) [yes they do actually say this]

    One of the points the above video claims is valid is:
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    and this is addressed in passing in the following video.

    The reality is that there are shades of beliefs on both sides and sometimes wide differences in those beliefs. Now in reality no reformed believer will (should) claim that any creed is flawless or inerrant. However they are not a single person's views, but 100's got together and came to agreement on what they believed. There are slight differences between the creeds of various groups and they can change slightly over time. So for someone to say that "you" (i.e. the non-reformed believer) can "return to proper interpretation passage in question", implying that you and only you have it right, is to me, over the top.

    Anyway here's the video. It's the same length as the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Jonathan Edwards, not so much an evangelist, but hardly a "cancer" on the church as the author claims of Calvinists. .
    I agree that Calvinists are not a cancer in the church and many are wonderful believers

    but

    the doctrine that Jesus only died for the 'elect' is an abhorrent cancer and brings disgrace to the gospel.

    It is offensive to the heart of God and grieves the Holy Spirit to denigrate the suffering of Jesus with such a horrible twisted teaching. That doctrine is a cancer that needs to be removed.

    Calvinists are deceived to even consider this as a genuine doctrine...it is an abomination and needs to be eradicated.

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    I agree that Calvinists are not a cancer in the church and many are wonderful believers

    but

    the doctrine that Jesus only died for the 'elect' is an abhorrent cancer and brings disgrace to the gospel.

    It is offensive to the heart of God and grieves the Holy Spirit to denigrate the suffering of Jesus with such a horrible twisted teaching. That doctrine is a cancer that needs to be removed.

    Calvinists are deceived to even consider this as a genuine doctrine...it is an abomination and needs to be eradicated.
    Calvinism appeals to the intellectual Christian searching for all the answers in a neat little box. They do not realize their neat little box is filled with false teachings. Therefore they resist the genuine movings of the Holy Spirit and His Gifts because they don't fit in that tiny box of errant theology. PRIDE !

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    I shouldn't laugh but that was funny

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