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    Calvinism - a disease that can be infected, if only to a small degree, through a plethora of scriptural distortions. The possibilities are endless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Calvinism - a disease that can be infected, if only to a small degree, through a plethora of scriptural distortions. The possibilities are endless.
    This is absolute Truth.

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    I love the Word.

    "One died for all" II Corinthians 5: 14,15
    "That He might taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9
    "Who is the Savior of all men" I Timothy 4:14
    "It is not His will than any should perish..." II Peter 3:9
    "Who desires that all be saved" I Timothy 2:4
    "And whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22: 17

    Well so much for Limited atonement. I really don't need "The Westminster Confession of Faith" to understand the Scripture.
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    I love the Word.

    "One died for all" II Corinthians 5: 14,15
    "That He might taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9
    "Who is the Savior of all men" I Timothy 4:14
    "It is not His will than any should perish..." II Peter 3:9
    "Who desires that all be saved" I Timothy 2:4
    "And whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22: 17

    Well so much for Limited atonement. I really don't need "The Westminster Confession of Faith" to understand the Scripture.
    And as I said a couple of posts ago reformed theologists have no problems with them.

    But if you truly love the Word you should love all of the Word including:

    "When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed" Acts 13:48
    "And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father"" John 6:65
    "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him" Eph 1:4
    "So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience" Col 3:12
    "But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth." 2Thess 2:13

    "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph 2:8-9

    If you really think that simply quoting half a dozen verses rather than actually discussing them results in "Well so much for Limited atonement" then perhaps you should consider how others actually look at the issue and discuss the pros and cons. Here's an example: Limited Atonement by Brian Schwertley.

    The document size is as below. It is more than just quoting Scripture with the appropriate words in them.
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    Here's the first two lines of the conclusion. Can you prove it wrong? "Those who teach that Christ died for all men without exception must ignore the clear testimony of Scripture. Furthermore, the objections commonly raised against a limited atonement reveal either a poor understanding of biblical interpretation or a desire to impose one's own presuppositions upon Scripture, or both."

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    And as I said a couple of posts ago reformed theologists have no problems with them.
    Which. Says. It. All.

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    Which. Says. It. All.
    When combined with the other 31,096 verses in the Bible, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    I love the Word.

    "One died for all" II Corinthians 5: 14,15
    "That He might taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9
    "Who is the Savior of all men" I Timothy 4:14
    "It is not His will than any should perish..." II Peter 3:9
    "Who desires that all be saved" I Timothy 2:4
    "And whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely." Revelation 22: 17

    Well so much for Limited atonement. I really don't need "The Westminster Confession of Faith" to understand the Scripture.
    God loves the whole world, but does not save the whole world.
    The plan of God was decided before anybody was in the world at all.
    The atonement of Christ was not a divine afterthought.
    The purpose of God in Christ's death was determined at the foundation of the world.
    The design was not guesswork but according to a specific plan and purpose, which God is sovereignly bringing to pass.
    All for whom Christ died are redeemed by His sacrificial act.
    Anyone who is not a universalist is willing to agree that the effect of Christ's work on the cross is limited to those who believe.

    "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel" (Mk 1:15).

    [I]"And those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart,
    so that they may not believe and be saved" (Lk 8:12).

    I think everyone who is apart of LFF would agree that Christ's atonement does not avail for unbelievers.
    Although Christ's work of atonement was designed by God to atone for the sins of everyone in the world, not everyone will be saved through his death.
    Christ laid down His life for His sheep and only for His sheep' ("and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on His left) (Mt 25:33).
    The atonement insured salvation His own who are recorded in the Lambs book of life and who will not be present at the great white throne judgment.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    All for whom Christ died are redeemed by His sacrificial act
    I disagree with that statement. Just because God possesses foreknowledge of who will let themselves be saved and who will not, doesn't mean that he has limited the scope of the atonement to those. If the atonement had (in some sense) been limited per default then he could as well have limited it further, down to where it fits "the foreknown". But it isn't limited, it's unlimited. It's sufficient for the salvation of any human being.

    In a philosophical sense I think that someone would be able to accuse God, and rightfully so, if the truth had been that God had excluded that person from the atonement because He knew that the person wouldn't respond to the call anyway. Respond to the call to do what ? Respond to a fake salvation offer ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I disagree with that statement. Just because God possesses foreknowledge of who will let themselves be saved and who will not, doesn't mean that he has limited the scope of the atonement to those. If the atonement had (in some sense) been limited per default then he could as well have limited it further, down to where it fits "the foreknown". But it isn't limited, it's unlimited. It's sufficient for the salvation of any human being.

    In a philosophical sense I think that someone would be able to accuse God, and rightfully so, if the truth had been that God had excluded that person from the atonement because He knew that the person wouldn't respond to the call anyway. Respond to the call to do what ? Respond to a fake salvation offer ?
    Since belief and repentance are conditions met only by those who believe, then ultimately the Atonement is offered only to them.
    The Atonement in a broad sense is offered to all;
    in a narrow sense, it is only offered to those who receive it.
    If you put God First, you have Him at Last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    Since belief and repentance are conditions met only by those who believe, then ultimately the Atonement is offered only to them.
    The Atonement in a broad sense is offered to all;
    in a narrow sense, it is only offered to those who receive it.
    I think that's a misuse of the term offered. Just because I don't receive something doesn't mean that it wasn't offered to me.

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