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    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Romans 8:1. Those in Christ Jesus have had the penalty for their sin paid by Christ and righteousness imputed to them and therefore no sin committed, past, present or future can be held against them.

    But the standing of the believer in Christ is not the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Romans 8:1. Those in Christ Jesus have had the penalty for their sin paid by Christ and righteousness imputed to them and therefore no sin committed, past, present or future can be held against them.

    But the standing of the believer in Christ is not the question.
    Sinners are gonna sin, Condemning them does not lead to repentance, the wrath of man does not lead to Godly sorrow.

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    Sinners are gonna sin, Condemning them does not lead to repentance, the wrath of man does not lead to Godly sorrow.
    Sinners are commanded to repent.

    Paul wrote:

    For though I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it—for I see that that letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while— I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

    No one is talking about condemning anyone (sinners are already condemned anyway) but "how do we speak about (abortion) without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Sinners are commanded to repent.

    Paul wrote:

    For though I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it—for I see that that letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while— I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
    You made my point, thank you.

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    You made my point, thank you.
    And thank you.

    Meanwhile I'll await a response to "how do we speak about (abortion) without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    And thank you.

    Meanwhile I'll await a response to "how do we speak about (abortion) without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?"
    You are asking for permission to be a condemner, I can't find find any justification for a believer to do that. In fact, the opposite is true.

    Paul was a murderer.

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    You are asking for permission to be a condemner, I can't find find any justification for a believer to do that. In fact, the opposite is true.

    Paul was a murderer.
    No I'm not, I'm asking how do we talk about a grievous sin without without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?

    A.J. wrote
    Be careful how you talk about us. She didn't say don't talk about it but asked us to be careful. So how do we do that?

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    Romans 2:1-4 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

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    Romans 2:1-4
    John you're just ignoring the question with your Scripture hopping, and all of them are about doing nothing. Well I'm glad Peter preached at Pentecost. I'm glad Paul preached all over on his three missionary journeys. I'm glad Ps. Cliff preached the day I turned up at a tent meeting.

    There's somewhere I'd prefer not to go but I will if I must. Maybe tomorrow. Meanwhile I leave a simple question:

    How do we talk about a grievous sin without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?

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    How do we talk about a grievous sin without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?
    There is no "we", it should read "How do I talk about a grievous sin without sugar coating it, without excusing it, without saying exactly what it is?"

    That's for YOU to decide.

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