I'm on the same page as Susan on this issue.
I'm on the same page as Susan on this issue.
Susan (11-06-2015)
That called Him that cause He hung out with the down trodden of society... you know, those that did get drunk.
You know, if they see you hanging out with a pot smoker... they'll think maybe you been smoking a few hooters too.
He was telling them to turn away from their sin and serve God.... not partaking in their sin.
Got anything else you think it proof? That one is very very weak.
Nikos (11-05-2015)
Quest (11-06-2015)
History is an interesting thing.. You can't really change it, but you can decide to ignore it and make up your own.
Not helpful for making/keeping credibility.
I come from strict holiness roots. It was taught as a sin according to the book of Proverbs where it says to avoid it when ferments (or changes colors).
The context tells you what it causes. I'm not saying it will send you to hell, but it always opens up a can of worms.
I've seen several people who were taught against it (including friends) who said they would only drink in moderation or with a meal. It never turned out that way. In my experience, it always ended up in a mess.
HEAVEN (11-07-2015)
I drink a little bit of wine or beer at times. I have zero desire for alcohol meaning I can drink nothing at all for months and not think about it. Probably indefinitely. The only reason why I drink either beverage is because of the taste. Individual people may react differently at the physical level besides their attitude towards the whole thing, but that is how it works for me. During the 26 years since I first drank any alcohol at the age of 18, it has never ended up in a mess.
My impression is that if people who have a strong anti alcohol upbringing decide to go against that and drink moderately then they may end up using that newfound freedom carnally and end up drinking heavily. In that case it's not the alcohol, it is the act of jumping from one mindset to the other without having a strong conscience about the matter.
Michelle (11-06-2015)
Yeah, by a bunch of doped up free love hippie freaks who were walking after the lust of the flesh!
According to Jewish historians, people preferred new wine to old wine (fermented).
In fact, since they couldn't store it for very long they made a paste out of it and yes that paste also fermented but what they would do is mix a little of that with water and make "wine" and the alcohol content of what you see in wine today is far greater, like 12 to 15 times greater, than what they were drinking.
They still do this in some places in the middle east today, so it's not comparing apples to apples when people say they were all drinking "wine" as it was not strong drink like the wine we have today.
Silly Christians... arguing for the right to drink intoxicants!
No wonder God said there was going to be a great falling away!
There is one thing for sure: We can never become an alcoholic if we never take the first drink. I have seen homes destroyed, kids lives changed, marriages destroyed and not to mention the cause of death on the highways because of drunk driving. How can we glorify God with our lives if we act like the world. The Bible says to not let our good be evil spoken of. We are to be a light to the world - not a stumblingblock. I can almost guarantee that if a sinner sees us drinking, knowing we are Christians, he will let us know that he didn't think would Christians drink. We have to be careful to not fall into a trap that satan has designed for a fall.