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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    you won't be getting a reply.. Mr Truck has left the building
    Don't matter, gave me something different to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    What a religious organisation teaches is flexible really as most have many local assemblies with different leaders, and it's difficult for them to think similarly. And it's no surprise that some younger leaders are more liberal (read non-Biblical) in their "theology". So where does that leave us?

    Hillsong's "what we believe" makes no reference to the "perseverance of the saints1" (btw Farm Truck, Calvin would have no idea what you're talking about if you said that to him), and they say they are "closely associated with the Australian Christian Churches" whose Doctrinal Basis makes no reference to it either. (as an aside, Hillsong is considered a separate denomination from ACC under Australian marriage law)

    If we look at Revelation 2 & 3 we see that after 50-60 years churches can become apostate. Certainly Laodicea was, with Sardis not being much better. In fact I know a church that was closely associated with Hillsong though is now simply ACC, that is a Sardis church, having a reputation of being alive but is dead. They're probably approaching apostasy, having not preached the Gospel of salvation for over three years, having not even said the word sin for over nine months, having gone over six months without having communion, having had at least two speakers who support same sex marriage and one (twice) who (on the basis of probability) seems to have had a very cavalier attitude to the death of his children2.

    If we are students of the Bible we should not be surprised to see churches start off good then become bad. Israel did it all the time. Paul's letters often addressed problems in the different churches. Most of Judah's and Israel's kings were evil (see https://s3.amazonaws.com/bg3-blog/bl...ated2020-1.jpg).


    ...FFO

    1) Here's some scriptures purported to support the idea of the perseverance of the saints.
    2) The speaker spent most of his time telling us how he and his wife just had a child via IVF.
    I have a good impression of Bill Johnson and Brian Houston but Hillsong is young and vibrant enough to have some corresponding problems. Which is better than not having a lot of young people. Hillsong is sufficiently grace oriented that people will find it difficult to lose their salvation but that doesn't mean that it's impossible. Turn to apostasy and you aren't saved. There's always the debate about whether or not such a person was ever saved, that is typically what differentiates OSAS from non-OSAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I've never heard Bethel teach once saved always saved. I'm not familiar with Hillsong.
    Hillsong is a Hollywood operation. Celebrities, show biz and EVERYTHING that comes along with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Hillsong is a Hollywood operation. Celebrities, show biz and EVERYTHING that comes along with that.
    Hillsong is Australian and was founded in the 1980s by an Aussie with a Pentecostal background. They have satellite churches all over the world including one in Oslo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Hillsong is Australian and was founded in the 1980s by an Aussie with a Pentecostal background. They have satellite churches all over the world including one in Oslo.
    And their youth pastor in NY parades around on the platform in his underwear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    And their youth pastor in NY parades around on the platform in his underwear.
    I thought that happened only once ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I thought that happened only once ?
    Excuse me. And their youth pastor paraded around the platform one time in his underwear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Excuse me. And their youth pastor paraded around the platform one time in his underwear.
    And then someone put an end to that. That was my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    And then someone put an end to that. That was my point.
    And my point was that they did it in the first place.

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    Well, well, Justin Peters still peddling his inflated accusation against Charismatics.

    Calling those churches "false" while falsely accusing them, theres a word or that. Something about a pot and a kettle too.

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