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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Why? They do not deny the three manifestations or the ONE God....they simply reject the idea that there are 3 PERSONS....even the Answer man said Holy Spirit is Jehovah, Jesus is Jehovah, the Father is Jehovah...

    A question was asked...when we 'hear' who are we hearing? Are we really hearing from varying deities or ONE Spirit...Does the Father speak and then Jesus and then the Spirit?

    If I say Jesus told me...and you say it was the Holy Spirit we are both right....

    The insistence of one is one Jehovah who manifests Himself as the creator Father, the intercessor, and the counselor...cannot really be heresy if in fact trinitarians are saying essentially the same thing...three that are one that cannot be understood or explained...

    The early church Fathers went through a long process of examination, prayer, debate etc. to arrive at their conclusion of trinitarian doctrine
    They considered alternatives which included 'Oneness' and rejected it. They were lead by the Holy Spirit and came to the most accurate scriptural understanding of apostolic teaching

    Oneness gained momentum around 1915 ...they ended up leaving trinitarian churches so the division was caused by believers espousing Oneness theology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    The early church Fathers went through a long process of examination, prayer, debate etc. to arrive at their conclusion of trinitarian doctrine
    They considered alternatives which included 'Oneness' and rejected it. They were lead by the Holy Spirit and came to the most accurate scriptural understanding of apostolic teaching

    Oneness became popular in the 1910's and it was they who broke away from trinitarian churches so if these is division it was caused by believers espousing Oneness theology
    I listened to the video and the question remained from beginning to end....There is no definition of the three....and both support One and the three....one calls them persons and the other calls them manifestations....

    Clearly the Holy Spirit did not LEAVE the Father when He 'sent Him'. Clearly Christ IN ME is God in me....do three persons live in me or ONE...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    As typical with this argument is what the disagreement produces in division is much worse than being doctrinally incorrect.

    Good point.
    The Oneness believers had a choice to stay linked with trinitarian believing churches and fellowship together but they were the ones who believed their doctrine was right
    and trinitarians were wrong so they left and formed their own denomination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I listened to the video and the question remained from beginning to end....There is no definition of the three....and both support One and the three....one calls them persons and the other calls them manifestations....

    Clearly the Holy Spirit did not LEAVE the Father when He 'sent Him'. Clearly Christ IN ME is God in me....do three persons live in me or ONE...

    The early church Fathers made a clear distinction and they believed in trinitarian doctrine. They rejected Oneness and a God who manifests in 3 forms.

    The distinction was important to the early church leaders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    A question was asked...when we 'hear' who are we hearing? Are we really hearing from varying deities or ONE Spirit...Does the Father speak and then Jesus and then the Spirit?
    Three persons doesn't make three deities. Since the Resurrection we usually hear from the Holy Spirit who is with us but some people have seen Jesus or the Father too.

    Did Jesus speak to himself when he spoke to the Father ?

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    Three persons doesn't make three deities. Since the Resurrection we usually hear from the Holy Spirit who is with us but some people have seen Jesus or the Father too.

    Did Jesus speak to himself when he spoke to the Father ?
    Did you watch the video I posted ? It answers those questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionHeart View Post
    Did you watch the video I posted ? It answers those questions...
    No, I didn't watch it. It's about 4 hours long ?

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    Mat 10:20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

    Phil 1:19 For I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayer and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ

    The Holy Spirit is referred to as both the spirit of the Father and the spirit of Jesus, not just as "the Spirit of God"

    Jesus talks to the Father which makes them two distinct persons but can anyone find where the Father or Jesus talks to the Holy Spirit or vice versa ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Person's or manifestations?
    In this scripture from John it is things being shared between 3 persons. Why would 3 'manifestations' share among themselves in a 'hierarchy' of sharing?

    John 16
    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    The Father shares with Jesus, Jesus shares it with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit shares it with us. Again, why would 'manifestations' be sharing. Three different personalities are sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    No, I didn't watch it. It's about 4 hours long ?
    That's no excuse

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