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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Institute for Creation Research argues that Neanderthals were human beings based on various criteria including that they played musical instruments. A Christian definition for a human being would be someone created in the image of God, meaning that he is capable of communing with God. Who was and who wasn't a human being according to that definition is of course impossible to prove.

    Depends on worldview - some scientists want them to be a subspecies of human to prove evolution
    Christian scientists want them to be homo sapiens as their bones are very similar and the differences can be accounted for due to climate etc

    They were either human or a type of primate that died out but they weren't in between that were involved in interbreeding that gave rise to homo sapiens

    I'm not a scientist I can only go by what I've read but I don't support interbreeding that formed homo sapiens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
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    Are you asking rhetorical questions?

    I know some old earth creationists embrace God using different sub humans breeding to finally come to homo sapien Adam.

    I believe in an old earth but I fully reject any interbreeding leading up to Adam.
    God specially created Adam and Eve 100% human as homo sapien. IMO any other teaching is false regarding special creation of Adam and Eve
    I agree with this. Not that that means anything.

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    I was just thinking again the other day about the complexity of creation. And in it's complexity the actual chance of it all coming together by chance to interact: male/female/, ecosystem and all living things relation to that, carbon dioxide/oxygen swap, etc, etc, etc. Like the last time I mention it I said that the chance is one in infinity that this could happen by chance, and someone else said it's not even 1 in infinity, it's ZERO chance. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    I agree with this. Not that that means anything.
    It means you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    It means you are right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Colonel
    Are you asking rhetorical questions?

    I know some old earth creationists embrace God using different sub humans breeding to finally come to homo sapien Adam.

    I believe in an old earth but I fully reject any interbreeding leading up to Adam.
    God specially created Adam and Eve 100% human as homo sapien. IMO any other teaching is false regarding special creation of Adam and Eve
    Interesting that you bring this up. I know some people who believe the Asians & Indians (maybe others?) were here several thousand years before Adam.

    They believe there were 2 separate creations of mankind. I can't recall how they scripturally come to this conclusion but I do know they refer to Cain going to the land of Nod and finding a wife and building a city.

    Adam was created to govern the earth. I believe that's what they teach. He was of ruddy complexion so they think he was white? It's been along time since I've heard this explained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    Interesting that you bring this up. I know some people who believe the Asians & Indians (maybe others?) were here several thousand years before Adam.

    They believe there were 2 separate creations of mankind. I can't recall how they scripturally come to this conclusion but I do know they refer to Cain going to the land of Nod and finding a wife and building a city.

    Adam was created to govern the earth. I believe that's what they teach. He was of ruddy complexion so they think he was white? It's been along time since I've heard this explained.

    I have never heard of that doctrine.....must go to America to find out more unusual teachings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pentecali View Post
    Interesting that you bring this up. I know some people who believe the Asians & Indians (maybe others?) were here several thousand years before Adam.

    They believe there were 2 separate creations of mankind. I can't recall how they scripturally come to this conclusion but I do know they refer to Cain going to the land of Nod and finding a wife and building a city.

    Adam was created to govern the earth. I believe that's what they teach. He was of ruddy complexion so they think he was white? It's been along time since I've heard this explained.
    According to science the Australians and Melanesians are the ones that have mixed the least since the earliest migrations out of Africa, maybe Adam looked just like this man from Fiji :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Depends on worldview - some scientists want them to be a subspecies of human to prove evolution
    Christian scientists want them to be homo sapiens as their bones are very similar and the differences can be accounted for due to climate etc

    They were either human or a type of primate that died out but they weren't in between that were involved in interbreeding that gave rise to homo sapiens

    I'm not a scientist I can only go by what I've read but I don't support interbreeding that formed homo sapiens
    From what I've read the lives of Neanderthals were very much like those of other hunter-gatherers, whether ancient or from modern tribes. Based on microsediments stuck on Neanderthal teeth they even used herbal medicine including the Penicillin plant. That is, the guy with the tooth cavity was eating that and the others were not. Their brains were at least as large as those of modern humans. If they are right that we have several percent Neanderthal genes then that implies a lot of interbreeding. So I'd guess that they were more like a different race of human beings that eventually got mixed into humanity as such and is no longer distinct. One that was generally a bit stockier and with certain distinctive facial features. The thing is that we can't judge humanness based on apparent looks. They may have looked more human than the evolutionist depictions of them too. To an evolutionist we are all just a bunch of primates anyway.

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    Are there any giants in the human fossil record ? According to scientists ? The answer to that may surprise you : it is yes.

    Our Story: Human Ancestor Fossils | Interviews | Naked Scientists

    Chris - What we're looking at is the most enormous femur: the bit that forms your hip joint. That's huge. As a doctor I know how big they normally are, that's huge.

    Lee - They are huge. That's so big we can't even calculate how big this individual was. You would need an NBA basketball player to get someone of the height someone like this would have been. Something like over 7 feet tall.

    Chris - You don't think this one's just an abnormality?

    Lee - No because we found a lot of them. Everywhere we find them we find them enormous. These are what we call archaic Homo sapiens. Some people refer to them as Homo heidelbergensis. These individuals are extraordinary, they are giants.


    When was that ? Like 400,000 years ago according to the same scientists. But what if the numbers are wrong, or the apparent timeline of the Bible is wrong, or both ? According to the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament, Goliath was just under 7 foot tall which would mean that the individuals mentioned above were taller, on average.
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