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    Dear White People....

    Have you heard all the news going on about the white female cop that just got a 10yr sentence and the brother that hugged and forgave her?

    This Rev. Dr. Karyn Carlo, a retired New York City Police Captain turned preacher, has chimes and written a blog post that is getting a lot of buzz and attention from the Christian community.

    Her article is called "Dear White People". What's your thoughts on it and what has transpired?




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    Dear White People: About Botham Jean, Forgiveness, Justice, and Cheap Grace | Fixin To Preach



    PORTION OF THE ARTICLE
    Yesterday we watched the sentencing of a white woman, a former cop, convicted of murdering a black man named Botham Jean in his own apartment, unarmed, eating ice cream. She received the very minimal sentence of 10 years following which the brother of the murder victim gave her a big hug and said he forgave her. Many Christians applaud that hug saying it was an extraordinary act of grace on his part. Having never walked in his shoes I will not judge him. However as a white woman, also a former cop, and Christian theologian I will judge the way so many of us in the white community are so quick to applaud black people for forgiving white murderers. We did it following the Charleston nine and here we go again.

    We are quick to point to the way in which Jesus forgave his own killers even as he suffered on the cross and we hold that up as the model for victims to adhere to today. But wait a minute. Is that fair? As we usually do with Bible stories we cast ourselves in the role of Jesus but really white people in the U.S. are the Romans in this story. We are the crucifiers not the crucified, the defenders of brutal empire who perhaps feel a little guilty at the scene of yet another lynching taking place in our name. As such we hear "father forgive them" as good news. Even though we have killed Jesus and brutalized his people we need not really fear hell. Even the victim himself does not hold us accountable. We are innocent. We did not know what we were doing. Good news right? Wrong.

    Forgiveness without repentance is what theologian Dietrich Bonhoefer, quoting Adam Clayton Powell, called cheap grace. It lets us believe we are off the hook for our evil without demanding any real change on our part. In the case of the murder of Botham Jean cheap grace lets us white people maintain our sense of innocence and goodness without first facing up to the role we all play, knowingly or not, in maintaining systemic racism. In this case it allows us to avoid looking at the particularly brutal history of black men and white women. We don't have to think about the thousands of lynchings, unjust crucifixions, that happened in our country due to black men being unjustly accused of raping white women. We don't have to think about the way in which white women to this day are seen as fragile and innocent (particularly if they are or make themselves blond) while black men are perceived as threatening and dangerous even when they are in their own homes eating ice cream. In other words we do not need to see let alone repent of our sins. But is that the gospel? Is that grace?

    I say no. Let's look at the "father forgive them" scenario again. Jesus of Nazareth who lived as an oppressed Jew under Roman occupation is, like many before him, being crucified as an enemy of state. (Side note- All of you chomping at the bit to inform me that Jesus's crucifixion/lynching was "not political" because he was "dying for our sins" need to hold off until you read some of my upcoming posts about the racist roots of Anselmian substitutionary atonement theory. All of you who likewise want to blame "the Jews" need a lesson in the history of Christian anti-Semitism. All of you who similarly want to say "we are all equally guilty as sinners regardless of race" need to read a history book. Have I covered all the loopholes? If not I will get back to them. Today we are talking history.) So Jesus has been persecuted by Romans all of his life for preaching good news for the impoverished and oppressed people of Rome now hangs on one of thousands of crosses (which Dr. James Cone rightly identified as lynching trees) designed to support Roman supremacy. Notice that in every one of the passion narratives he has very little to say to his oppressors. At this point he is done talking to them. Notice also that Jesus does not forgive them. He asks God to do so. Notice furthermore that he essentially writes them off as ignorant "for they know not what they do."

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    Too much prejudice on her part. She needs to have taken that approach differently. I do Not perceive Black men as perps or crimes looking for a place to happen. That is her old white cop mentality working it's way into her message.

    And yes I know that was not her main point.

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    Stopped at "Dear White People".

    Race bait.

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    I'm sick to death of people making everything about race.

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    Moonbat liberals are making everything about race so to weaponize it politically. Otherwise they got nuttin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Too much prejudice on her part. She needs to have taken that approach differently. I do Not perceive Black men as perps or crimes looking for a place to happen. That is her old white cop mentality working it's way into her message.

    And yes I know that was not her main point.
    I somewhat agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I somewhat agree!
    Knowing your service history in the city (God bless you) I just wanted to clarify my words on her mindset. The Sheriffs, City and State Police I know (small towns in Emmet) have shared with me their biggest temptation is to foster the worldview that all people are trash, their actual quote among several of them. They have come to me for prayer help to renew their hope in the human culture. I know this is a vocational hazard. My 6 years in juvie as a compliance officer with teen addicts had begun to make me wonder where the good kids were. Being a wrestling coach gave me a respite to fight off such a terrible view.

    Just so ya's know, sis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Knowing your service history in the city (God bless you) I just wanted to clarify my words on her mindset. The Sheriffs, City and State Police I know (small towns in Emmet) have shared with me their biggest temptation is to foster the worldview that all people are trash, their actual quote among several of them. They have come to me for prayer help to renew their hope in the human culture. I know this is a vocational hazard. My 6 years in juvie as a compliance officer with teen addicts had begun to make me wonder where the good kids were. Being a wrestling coach gave me a respite to fight off such a terrible view.

    Just so ya's know, sis.
    Thank you. Yes, the minute I began reading her comments, I had an uneasy feeling and it read like something a low information liberal would say. I was very moved by the brother's actions, but her comments made it something that it wasn't and were inappropriate for this particular situation.

    Actually, I agree with you more than I indicated. She made one or two points that may be correct but again, her comments were inappropriate & untimely as it pertains to this case, IMO.
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    I can't speak for anybody but me, but when I heard this story I was upset. Not because of the race factor because I'm not even sure it was a factor. But the whole thing was so unnecessary. I have lived alone in a lot of apartments over the years. If I were to arrive home and find the door open the first thing I would do is check to see if I'm at the right apartment. Supposedly she parked her car on the 4th floor but she lived on the 3rd so she mistook his unit for hers. The police reportedly found marijuana in his apartment, which to me is irrelevant because it was HIS APARTMENT! They should have been checking her for drugs because she's the one who didn't know where she was. When the victim's brother said he didn't want her to go to jail I couldn't believe it. Even if you forgive her, you have to send a message to other people who are authorized to carry a gun that they have a huge responsibility to only use it in self defense. Shooting an unarmed man in his own apartment doesn't qualify. As for Rev. Carlo, no thank you. No white guilt here. I prefer to just stick with the facts of the case, which are disturbing enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew and Greek View Post
    Shooting an unarmed man in his own apartment doesn't qualify. As for Rev. Carlo, no thank you. No white guilt here. I prefer to just stick with the facts of the case, which are disturbing enough.
    Situational awareness is everything. If you are going to carry, you must pay attention. Step 1, no mind altering substances. In a similar scenario elsewhere, she could have been the dead one.

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