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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    This is going to take a while, but let me start with the CRN article, which strikes me as somewhat HH in its take.

    "Seeks to empty the mind and enter an altered state of consciousness by:
    repetition of a mantra;
    focusing on one’s breathing;
    contemplating images or icons."

    I object to the characterization of "empty the mind", "repetition of a mantra" as a universal descriptor.

    For a more accurate and fair description of Contemplative Prayer in a Christian context, read:
    The Lost Art of Practicing His Presence by [Goll, James W.]

    This book makes it very clear the difference between biblically-based CP and New Age.

    On another front, CP does have a wide acceptance as a "method" by Catholics, which some may not be comfortable with.

    And other non-Chtistan groups can use a version of it for their theological target or deity. Therein lies the issue of wide acceptance and adaptation.
    Thanks for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    In James Goll's book, the purpose of quieting our minds is to throw out the mental distractions (noise ) that hinder us hearing God. The HH crowd is so afraid that a demon might jump in that they would rather keep the noise.
    Oh my gosh, that's so true!!!

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    Can Catholics pray without genuflecting, kneeling or holding beads? I’m mean just in a conversational manner?

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    As an ex-Catholic, I can attest to the fact that it is a VERY culturally-connected religion, REGARDLESS of whether they have a genuine relationship with Christ. For example, on last night's 90 Day's Fiance, one of the ladies in the USA, is a stripper, and wants to marry a Muslim in Algeria. And, oh, by the way, she is a devout Catholic, who wears a cross and her Catholic religion is very important to her. Need I say anything else?

    Those practices you list are closely held as their IDENTITY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    As an ex-Catholic, I can attest to the fact that it is a VERY culturally-connected religion, REGARDLESS of whether they have a genuine relationship with Christ. For example, on last night's 90 Day's Fiance, one of the ladies in the USA, is a stripper, and wants to marry a Muslim in Algeria. And, oh, by the way, she is a devout Catholic, who wears a cross and her Catholic religion is very important to her. Need I say anything else?

    Those practices you list are closely held as their IDENTITY.
    Yeah I get that part. Sorry I should have specified that more carefully. I should ask my friend. He is definately the born-again kind but loves the catholic church. We are riding partners and he will preach the word as we pedal along on the roadside. Most like him will up and leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    ... For example, on last night's 90 Day's Fiance, one of the ladies in the USA, is a stripper, and wants to marry a Muslim in Algeria. And, oh, by the way, she is a devout Catholic, who wears a cross and her Catholic religion is very important to her...
    Sorry for Hijacking the thread, but...

    Yes! - I saw that episode too - This has got to be "scripted," because common sense would tell her that: A Catholic, cross-wearing Stripper and a Muslim are NOT a "match made in heaven"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romans828 View Post
    Sorry for Hijacking the thread, but...

    Yes! - I saw that episode too - This has got to be "scripted," because common sense would tell her that: A Catholic, cross-wearing Stripper and a Muslim are NOT a "match made in heaven"
    I'm not so sure about that. She'll probably have to quit her stripping except as her husband directs. What things look like in public with Muslim couples is one thing but what they do in private, including when with their friends or even peers, may be something entirely different. She may have to wear a hijab in public then be treated like a slut elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    As an ex-Catholic, I can attest to the fact that it is a VERY culturally-connected religion, REGARDLESS of whether they have a genuine relationship with Christ. For example, on last night's 90 Day's Fiance, one of the ladies in the USA, is a stripper, and wants to marry a Muslim in Algeria. And, oh, by the way, she is a devout Catholic, who wears a cross and her Catholic religion is very important to her. Need I say anything else?

    Those practices you list are closely held as their IDENTITY.
    The Catholic lady sounds like my impression of many of the Calvinists I used to debate. I say Calvinists because I really tried to figure out who was who and among the non-Charismatics it was typically Calvinists. They were able to front rigid five point Calvinism yet they typically came across as living sinful lives. Some of them were the honest type but probably used the internet as an outlet and hid that elsewhere. Many of them considered their self proclaimed Elect status to trump everything else, they even toyed with the idea that the Elect might well depart from the faith entirely and into sin for a season but since they were Elect they would always return to the faith again eventually. To many of them it was just religion and they were very religious about their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireBrand View Post
    Yeah I get that part. Sorry I should have specified that more carefully. I should ask my friend. He is definately the born-again kind but loves the catholic church. We are riding partners and he will preach the word as we pedal along on the roadside. Most like him will up and leave.
    Its been a long time since I had a Catholic friend that we could talk openly about religious issues. I'd like to think that a truly born-again Christian would "recognize" some of the questionable parts and de-facto ignore those aspects (e.g., Mary veneration - yeah I get they don't "worship her" officially, but it sure seems a close 2nd )

    I could picture a born-again person staying there as a ministry ground to get them born-again as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    Its been a long time since I had a Catholic friend that we could talk openly about religious issues. I'd like to think that a truly born-again Christian would "recognize" some of the questionable parts and de-facto ignore those aspects (e.g., Mary veneration - yeah I get they don't "worship her" officially, but it sure seems a close 2nd )

    I could picture a born-again person staying there as a ministry ground to get them born-again as well.
    He was raised in the RCC until his mom got saved and went Pentecostal. So he knows not to go into Marionism on me. More than likely he isnt into that either. Every now and then he comes over to our country non-denom church and plays standup bass on our worship team

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    That's the whole deal with me, that true brothers in Christ focus on the main deal and unity that is close to Jesus heart. Jn 14.

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