Thread: To Fuego and Wheeze

Let me add one other thing. I take a handful of vitamins every day. I am on no medication whatsoever. I work out regularly. So as far as 'traditional' sickness and disease I have none. Not that it matters one way or another. Just thought I'd say that.

Originally Posted by victoryword

I taught a two part series on balance in the areas of doctors, medicine, exercise, and acting on your faith that I just completed this last Sunday.

The short of it is that there is no sin in doctors and medicine and one needs to exercise regularly and eat right before claiming healing from sickness that is the result of weight and bad food. Charles Capp used to say (my paraphrase), "If I need a doctor, I will see a doctor. If I need medicine, I will take medicine. We are not under bondage in such cases."

When I was suffering from asthma and asking God to heal me, the Lord told me to drink more water. I obeyed and have not had an asthma attack in years. God is a very PRACTICAL God. His will is for your health and NEVER for your sickness but He expects us to use some common sense.

When I was at Rhema Roy Hicks came and ministered (he was a good friend of Hagin's and at one time I think head of the Foursquare). To make it short, and because I don't remember the details anyway, he was traveling overseas I think and he kept feeling weak. He kept praying about it and believing for healing, and he said the Holy Spirit said, 'You need salt'. So he sprinkled salt on a salad he was eating or something like that, but anyway, the weakness went away. He said that he had basically quit salt for health reasons or whatever, and that' was what was causing him to feel that way.

As an aside, I remember him saying he wrote a book called 'Instrument Rated Christians', referring to how pilots when in clouds can't go by what they see, they're senses will give them false information, so they have to rely on their instruments in the plane. He related that to how Christians can't go by our circumstances but have to live by the Word. Well, I couldn't remember his name when I started this post so I Googled the name of the book and viola! Here's a copy of it online. :)

http://timothytanministries.yolasite...-Roy-Hicks.pdf

Originally Posted by fuego

Let me add one other thing. I take a handful of vitamins every day. I am on no medication whatsoever. I work out regularly. So as far as 'traditional' sickness and disease I have none. Not that it matters one way or another. Just thought I'd say that.

It's good that you don't use any meds but the sleep apnea is a disease. Think about it : dis-ease. It was induced by a lifestyle problem rather than a germ, a physical accident or similar but it's still a dis-ease. It's within God's promises to heal it. Perhaps he expects you to lose the weight that makes that healing make sense, who knows. Same thing with poor eyesight. It's a dis-ease but it may not be one that makes any difference to someone who can access glasses or lenses easily and at all times. Or uncomplicated surgery. But I think that the point to the ideal of divine health shouldn't be to appear "perfect" but rather to live an unobstructed and blessed life into old age.

Originally Posted by Colonel

It's good that you don't use any meds but the sleep apnea is a disease. Think about it : dis-ease. It was induced by a lifestyle problem rather than a germ, a physical accident or similar but it's still a dis-ease. It's within God's promises to heal it. Perhaps he expects you to lose the weight that makes that healing make sense, who knows. Same thing with poor eyesight. It's a dis-ease but it may not be one that makes any difference to someone who can access glasses or lenses easily and at all times. Or uncomplicated surgery. But I think that the point to the ideal of divine health shouldn't be to appear "perfect" but rather to live an unobstructed and blessed life into old age.

Right. It is a 'dis-ease' technically speaking. That's why I said but not in the 'traditional' sense like cancer, etc.

And yes about being 'perfect'. I don't try to adhere what I would call strict, over the top interpretations of WOF. If I need medicine, I'll take it. If someone asks what's wrong, I'll tell them. Doesn't mean I'm not believing God.

Originally Posted by fuego

Right. It is a 'dis-ease' technically speaking. That's why I said but not in the 'traditional' sense like cancer, etc.

And yes about being 'perfect'. I don't try to adhere what I would call strict, over the top interpretations of WOF. If I need medicine, I'll take it. If someone asks what's wrong, I'll tell them. Doesn't mean I'm not believing God.

Paul left Trophimus sick in Miletus. He could have skipped the detail about him being sick, for appearances' sakes. He didn't add a sermon about him really being healed to gloss that over, either. He could have said something about God's promises but he left it at that.

Originally Posted by victoryword

AWESOME. Will download on my iPad later.



I hold to similar views, and most of which I learned from the WoF teachers. Fred Price used to teach that if you say, "I'm not sick" or "I'm not hurt" then you are telling a lie. He then taught that you are to say (if asked) that you are believing God for healing and declare what the Word says. There is a difference between DENIAL and confession of the Word. The Bible NEVER teaches us to deny the circumstances. That's along the lines of the mind cult religions. Dr. Price addresses a lot of off-the-wall WoF stuff in his book, "Faith, Foolishness, or Presumption".

I have not known of one legitimate WoF teacher who has spoken negatively about medicine and doctors. On the contrary Hagin used to say that we are on the same team and that we are fighting the same thing. It is often recommended that you see a doctor after you have been prayed for in order to confirm the healing.

Was actually listening to a Hagin teaching recently (Cant remember the title) where in one of Jesus appearances to him Jesus told him that Medical Science or what we would term Natural Healing's was also part of God's divine plan hence the reason most healing manifestations will be over time .

Believers can ask God to speed up the time if that's all they have faith for or they can go for the spectacular if they have the faith for it but all in all medical/Natural healing is part of God's plan too hence the reason Paul Instructed Timothy to take something for his ailing stomach ..

Bottom line we shouldn't "despise" medical/natural healing simply because it isn't spectacular or instantaneous

Originally Posted by victoryword

If you come across the title let me know. I would like to listen to it.

Will do,
I listen to so many of them I dont even bother tracking the titles anymore