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I think the operative word is CONTROL. You know when things cross a line that shouldn't be crossed.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Well, some were and some weren't. Back in the 80s there was just this 'authoritarian' attitude that I saw among many WoF leaders. I'm not saying it to bash WoF, it's just the way it was. Heck, I even had that attitude somewhat because I was around it and 'taught' it. Once I started being the target of it it was different. I think a lot of it came from teachers like Copeland (and I like Copeland, this isn't a bash of him) and others and it flowed down to the pastors thinking this is how they were supposed to be in their churches. You know how hard nosed he was about some things and you just can't be a pastor and be like that. Well you can, and many of the churches thrived. But I'd never sit under anyone like that again.
Sounds like some of them forgot to read their bibles:
2 Timothy 2:22-26 (NKJV)
22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
Well, some were and some weren't. Back in the 80s there was just this 'authoritarian' attitude that I saw among many WoF leaders. I'm not saying it to bash WoF, it's just the way it was. Heck, I even had that attitude somewhat because I was around it and 'taught' it. Once I started being the target of it it was different. I think a lot of it came from teachers like Copeland (and I like Copeland, this isn't a bash of him) and others and it flowed down to the pastors thinking this is how they were supposed to be in their churches. You know how hard nosed he was about some things and you just can't be a pastor and be like that. Well you can, and many of the churches thrived. But I'd never sit under anyone like that again.
Yup, I can relate though in the A/G we had a different flavor but still heavy handed and it was ok to be harsh if the person you addressed was in any type of disagreement. In one church as a youth pastor I at one occasion was a church “bouncer”. I stood next to my senior pastor to back him up. We werent there only a few months but it was a point of geniune heart felt godly sorrow that helped us repent of that spirit (not Holy).
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Originally Posted by
Jonathan david
I think the operative word is CONTROL. You know when things cross a line that shouldn't be crossed.
There are some Fundie churches like that. Dont you dare part your hair diiferently or a visit from a deacon is in the schedule.
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Sounds like the shepherding movement of the 1970s. Ugh. Not pretty.
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Originally Posted by
Bookman
Sounds like the shepherding movement of the 1970s. Ugh. Not pretty.
I wasn't experiencing that. It wasn't that bad. Let's just say they could have walked in a little more love and been a little less 'authoritarian'.
This same pastor I was talking about, after I got kicked out I was talking to one of the members some time later and he was on staff, and he said he didn't show up one Sunday and the pastor actually left the church and showed up on his doorstep. The thing about this pastor was that he really moved in the utterance gifts, also word of knowledge, was a good teacher, and probably could have had the largest Charismatic church on the south side of Atlanta. But he kept running people off. And and nice as he could be until you didn't agree with him.
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So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
1 Peter 5:3 Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example.
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Originally Posted by
fuego
But he kept running people off. And and nice as he could be until you didn't agree with him.
Sounds like the 'jerk' anointing
Years ago we had a well known itinerant speaker who had a wonderful ministry and blessed the church
After the service he asked me to pray for him and I received a prophetic word how he had been hurt by another leader and he was still struggling in this area
He looked at me embarrassed and said I haven't told anyone me this and shared how this pastor he previously worked for had mistreated him.
The sad thing was this other pastor was a big name who had a large following and yet behind the scenes acted like a jerk even though God was definitely using him
The gifting doesn't take away the jerk mentality of many leaders
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Originally Posted by
Cardinal TT
Sounds like the 'jerk' anointing
Years ago we had a well known itinerant speaker who had a wonderful ministry and blessed the church
After the service he asked me to pray for him and I received a prophetic word how he had been hurt by another leader and he was still struggling in this area
He looked at me embarrassed and said I haven't told anyone me this and shared how this pastor he previously worked for had mistreated him.
The sad thing was this other pastor was a big name who had a large following and yet behind the scenes acted like a jerk even though God was definitely using him
The gifting doesn't take away the jerk mentality of many leaders
Well, many see disagreeing with them as 'challenging' their authority. The root of it is insecurity.
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Originally Posted by
FireBrand
Yup, I can relate though in the A/G we had a different flavor but still heavy handed and it was ok to be harsh if the person you addressed was in any type of disagreement. In one church as a youth pastor I at one occasion was a church "bouncer". I stood next to my senior pastor to back him up. We werent there only a few months but it was a point of geniune heart felt godly sorrow that helped us repent of that spirit (not Holy).
That's interesting you mentioned that...when I moved to Tulsa in '93 and had started attending Carlton Pearson's church, Carman's brother Mario was head of security there. He was definitely the 'bouncer' type. and had trained other men in the church (I think Mario was either a former police officer, or detective or something like that). After a few years Mario left and had started his own private detective business. He died a few years after that. But I remember the heavy-handedness he and the other "security" displayed, but it was a crazy time at that church--Carlton got married that year and there were various threats against him and his wife, as well as some crazy women who believed they were the real and God-ordained wife
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