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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I think I was clear...One could also argue that before Christ all were lost anyway..all were condemned already...
    A-Okay? No..but I don't understand execution for adultery either, but apparently God did..

    The ONE thing I do understand about the OT compared to the NT is that God was dealing with people that were lost whether they were people of faith or not and He had one intent and all He did was with that intent in mind...Getting Jesus here. That is the only way to reconcile that God is love and that God who IS love ordered the genocide of the Amalekites, men women, children and animals...

    But we don't live then and we DO know how the power and heart of God available to us today and He is not a God who accepts a selfish justification for taking the life of an unborn child.
    Even then the execution was not such...
    Let's not change the subject into God's right to give then take lives. And never mind the specifics of who got a death penalty for what.

    Unless one is against the death penalty under every circumstance, it still happens that a pregnant mother is sentenced to death for murdering someone and then there is the question of whether or not she should be allowed to give birth to her child before being executed. The fact remains that no such provision was made anywhere in the Bible though there could easily have been one. It takes one sentence "if the one guilty is a pregnant woman then she will be given time to give birth to her child first before the sentence is executed". I don't know if the Jews made that provision anyway but if so, then it was not given directly by God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I would hope if I were in that situation that I would give myself to prayer and seeking His face and surround myself with prayer warriors..because I would know in my heart of hearts taking that life for my own is not an option but seeking HIS face on behalf of both lives would be...with every temptation God has made the way of escape..
    I think temptation is the wrong term

    For instance....my situation is such that if I ever DID get pregnant again, I WOULD be faced with this choice. The Dr. wanted to perform an emergency hysterectomy on me when my daughter was born, but my iron was WAY too low, and I'd already had 2 blood transfusions, so he was worried I would bleed out if he tried to do the hysterectomy. He also couldn't tie my tubes due to the same reasons, but he did clamp them, so HOPEFULLY I won't ever get pregnant again.

    Apparently, when the Dr. was performing the C-section he said that he could SEE my daughter through the placenta. If ever I get pregnant again (which I pray never happens) I would have to make the decision to run the risk of killing both myself AND the child, or ending the pregnancy.

    So, looking at this from my POV, I find it very hard to see that as temptation...a heavy burden, a grief, but not temptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    I think temptation is the wrong term

    For instance....my situation is such that if I ever DID get pregnant again, I WOULD be faced with this choice. The Dr. wanted to perform an emergency hysterectomy on me when my daughter was born, but my iron was WAY too low, and I'd already had 2 blood transfusions, so he was worried I would bleed out if he tried to do the hysterectomy. He also couldn't tie my tubes due to the same reasons, but he did clamp them, so HOPEFULLY I won't ever get pregnant again.

    Apparently, when the Dr. was performing the C-section he said that he could SEE my daughter through the placenta. If ever I get pregnant again (which I pray never happens) I would have to make the decision to run the risk of killing both myself AND the child, or ending the pregnancy.

    So, looking at this from my POV, I find it very hard to see that as temptation...a heavy burden, a grief, but not temptation.
    Some people would reason that if there is a small chance that the child would survive then the mother should go through with it. But I would say that that would be the mother's choice entirely and in your case I wouldn't advise you to do anything else than whatever you want.

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    I wouldn't judge you Lista. I had a friend from my church who had an abortion because her baby did not have a brain. The baby would have died in utero or shortly after.

    Now, I know that some babies survive this condition for several months, a friend's granddaughter lived for three months, but I still would not judge a woman who decided to have an abortion under those conditions.

    Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is ectopic pregnancies. I believe abortion is allowable because left untreated, the baby will die (no way to complete a pregnancy with this condition) and the mother would be in danger of bleeding to death.

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    What's the point of continuing the pregnancy if the baby is 100 percent sure to die before it is born ? Especially if it means risk to the mother ? Is it the act of killing it in and of itself that is the problem ? Kind of like when people can't stand the killing of an animal yet they eat meat or fish every day ?

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    You can rarely count on 100% certainty about anything, Colonel. We are talking human beings here, created in God's image, not dinner. The pro abortion folks always want to de-humanize the child in the womb.

    What a woman chooses in a dire medical situation is between her and God.

    I have seen documentaries about adults with Down's. I watched those precious people, many with profound disabilities and thought "who dares to say these dear ones shouldn't be born"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    You can rarely count on 100% certainty about anything, Colonel. We are talking human beings here, created in God's image, not dinner. The pro abortion folks always want to de-humanize the child in the womb.
    It seems to me that there is a counter reaction here amounting to elevating the unborn child to a status not afforded to human beings that have been born. The proverbial "opposite ditch in the road".

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    You can rarely count on 100% certainty about anything, Colonel. We are talking human beings here, created in God's image, not dinner. The pro abortion folks always want to de-humanize the child in the womb.

    What a woman chooses in a dire medical situation is between her and God.

    I have seen documentaries about adults with Down's. I watched those precious people, many with profound disabilities and thought "who dares to say these dear ones shouldn't be born"?
    Having a child with Downs will not put the mother's life at risk.

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    Having a child with Downs will not put the mother's life at risk.

    No, but many advocate aborting any potentially defective baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    No, but many advocate aborting any potentially defective baby.
    That's the same as euthanizing people who can't take care of themselves, for instance the elderly.

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