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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Everything is a personal choice Colonel...that does not at all alter the reality of that choice..
    I suggest you deal with my posts #11 and #14 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    People justify waging war all the time knowing that an unknown number of women with their unborn babies will be killed during those wars. Be consistent if you're going to advocate the absolute non-legitimacy of killing an unborn child under any circumstance.
    I did deal with that one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I did deal with that one..
    No you did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    If it were the will of God that all abortion were to be avoided then commanding the Israelites to kill all women and children during a war would be out of the question. Exemptions from the death penalty would have had to be made in the case of all married women and even unmarried women who had been caught in adultery with a married man since they could possibly be pregnant. And in particular there would have to be exemptions from the death penalty for every known pregnant woman. As far as I know there is no such thing either in the old or the new testament.
    Same argument the world gives in support of abortion...genocide was a reality in the OT for the sake of eventually having the savior make entrance into the earth..if it was God's Nature then He would still support it..He would be telling Christians to destroy Islam...instead He says love your enemies..

    AS for the potion

    Some translations say miscarry and others do not...21 Then the kohen shall put the isha under oath with the oath of the curse, and the kohen shall say unto the isha, Hashem make thee an alah (curse) and a shevu’ah (oath) among thy people, when Hashem doth make thy thigh to waste away, and thy belly to swell;

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    Numbers 5:22 And this mayim that causeth the curse shall go into thy inner parts, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to waste away; And the isha shall say, Omen, Omen.

    Young's literal...

    21 (then the priest hath caused the woman to swear with an oath of execration, and the priest hath said to the woman) -- Jehovah doth give thee for an execration, and for a curse, in the midst of thy people, in Jehovah's giving thy thigh to fall, and thy belly to swell,

    22 and these waters which cause the curse have gone into thy bowels, to cause the belly to swell, and the thigh to fall; and the woman hath said, Amen, Amen.
    It makes more sense to me that this passage is not speaking of abortion...if the woman was adulterous and not pregnant there would be no physical response...

    Wikipedia states, " "Her belly swells first and then her thigh ruptures and she dies".[12] Others maintain that since the word "thigh" is often used in the Bible as a euphemism for various reproductive organs, in this case it may mean the uterus, the placenta or an embryo, and the woman would survive.[13][14][15]"

    Since the term thigh fall and belly swell does not translate miscarriage anywhere else in the scriptures assuming it does here is a stretch...especially since there are ZERO other passages confirming that or even referencing this event at all...

    So no...killing an innocent has no Biblical justification...and does not fit the character of our almighty and all powerful God..

    IF the woman was NOT pregnant there would have been no PROOF...Wikipedia said the potion curse could carry over into several years so historically it seems it was a physical curse on the woman herself..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    People justify waging war all the time knowing that an unknown number of women with their unborn babies will be killed during those wars. Be consistent if you're going to advocate the absolute non-legitimacy of killing an unborn child under any circumstance.
    Casualties of war does not even come close to the willful enter into a woman's womb to kill a baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It's not an ad hominem attack. It's an observation about what and how you post, that's all.
    It's a very quick judgment of someone who has only been here 5 minutes. Try curbing that urge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lively Stone View Post
    It's a very quick judgment of someone who has only been here 5 minutes. Try curbing that urge.
    5 minutes ? I recall your posting here for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    5 minutes ? I recall your posting here for years.
    Rarely, but we have tangled before. You leave my style alone and I will try to muddle through yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Casualties of war does not even come close to the willful enter into a woman's womb to kill a baby.
    Someone who decides to wage a war knows in advance that it will kill X number of pregnant women that would otherwise have lived to give birth to their babies. Which means that that result becomes part of the choice to go to war and therefore part of what that person or body of people is responsible for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lively Stone View Post
    Rarely, but we have tangled before. You leave my style alone and I will try to muddle through yours.
    I will address your posts that amount to replies to mine according to what those posts actually contain, thank you.

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