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Thread: Bethel Church Accused of Practicing Occult in Use of 'Destiny Cards'

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    The gospel is not seeker friendly, it is confrontational, the ultimate in "hand to hand" combat as it relates to spiritual warfare.

    No confrontation, no gospel.
    Not always. The ones who witnessed to me were not at all confrontational. They were loving and kind. I wanted what they had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan david View Post
    When you have a more "open" approach to outreach methodologies and tactics, then there are often more risks, which should be addressed:

    1 - Those who operate in outreach to New Agers (e.g., Fairs) to show the REAL vs the COUNTERFEIT need to make it clear of the difference between God's power and demonic power (e.g., in healings, etc.), John Paul Jackson did this.
    2 - Process and objective is often critical: SEEMS is often not IS. Intelligent description of the method needs to be communicated (e.g., how are images, cards, etc being used?)
    3 - Another risk here is that without "vetting" people you associate with, the dark-side folks can attach themselves to otherwise good ministries
    New Agers really need to have the line drawn to them between the things of God and the things of the devil, many of them are happy to include Jesus as one of many Christs and may even pray to him and then later to the "god" inhabiting them and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Not always. The ones who witnessed to me were not at all confrontational. They were loving and kind. I wanted what they had.
    Did they preach any kind of repentance ? If not then how was it more than hyper-grace ?

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    Did they preach any kind of repentance ? If not then how was it more than hyper-grace ?
    It wasn't hyper-grace at all. I've shared before that I didn't come to Christ because I thought I was a huge sinner. I came to Christ out of hunger for the Lord. It was after I was born again that I saw my sinfulness. I've also shared that repentance has two moves associated with it. One is turning AWAY (from sin) and the other is turning TOWARD something (God). In turning toward God, I was also turning away from self and sin, though it wasn't until later that I understood that. You really can't have one of the two movements without the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    It wasn't hyper-grace at all. I've shared before that I didn't come to Christ because I thought I was a huge sinner. I came to Christ out of hunger for the Lord. It was after I was born again that I saw my sinfulness. I've also shared that repentance has two moves associated with it. One is turning AWAY (from sin) and the other is turning TOWARD something (God). In turning toward God, I was also turning away from self and sin, though it wasn't until later that I understood that. You really can't have one of the two movements without the other.
    At the very least you were confronted with a need for something that you did not have. The video I posted of christalignment doing destiny cards seems so unconfrontational that people could well believe that they can simply connect at will to what they are promoting. And then do something different later or even at the same time.

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