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    To Drink or Not to Drink?

    I totally agree with Mario on this.

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    I saw drinking destroy my uncle. He was a pastor and taught in a Christian university. He went to an early grave at 57 due to liver failure. That was in 2003. I was an alcoholic when I got saved over 30 years ago. I thank the Lord I was delivered by Him back then or I too would most likely not be here today. Christians whether in ministry or not are kidding themselves if they think they can handle alcohol. Not only does it ruin your testimony, but it brings a reproach to the name Christ claiming to be a believer and yet being a beer or wine drinker. If you play around long enough with a rattlesnake, it's just a matter of time until you get bit and die. The same goes with drinking alcohol.
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    Good article!

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    You can accuse me of writing this because of the widespread abuse of alcohol by ministers—but that is not the case. You can call me judgmental and again you would be mistaken. I am certain I will be attacked by those who believe I have gone too far and by those who believe I have not gone far enough. Nevertheless, I must obey God.

    I believe the Holy Spirit is raising this issue because America is teetering on the edge of disaster. We can all see that the Bible, Christianity, Israel, and American values—the values that keep us alive—are under an all-out attack. Time is running out for our nation.

    Jesus is on the hunt for special vessels. He is looking for someone to demonstrate power on a level we have not yet seen. To have authority for miracles that are beyond what we have seen or heard.

    I am convinced God is calling those who would be excellent, and powerful in the Spirit, to stop drinking alcohol…including beer. Not out of legalism—not out of condemnation but because of this one phrase: IT IS NOT FOR YOU.


    Proverbs 31: 4,5 tells us, “It is not for kings, Lemuel—it is not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.”

    Wait, what? Does it really say If you would be a king, or a ruler, then wine and beer are not for you? Yes, it does.

    Can you drink? Of course, you can. You can live in the elementary level that says it’s okay so long as you don’t get drunk. However, in this hour—if you want all that God has for you—it is not for you.

    Fine, be a casual drinker, but if you yearn for a deeper level of power and true revival—it is not for you.

    It may be okay for others, but if you want to see the notable miracles—the ones that quake cities and alter generations—then it is not for you.


    The clue to this new call to a higher personal purity is seen in the next verses: Proverbs 31:6 “Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! 7 Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.”

    Is the Bible telling us that alcohol is for death and misery? At the very least that should give us pause to ask, “why am I drinking?” Or, “do I really need this.” And finally, “what am I trying to prove by taking this liberty?” If you find you are defending it beyond reason, then you must consider the specter of a drinking habit growing out of control.

    Many who oppose ministers who drink do make this salient point: “If one of my congregation is a recovering alcoholic and sees me having a glass of wine in public, it could trigger them to start drinking again. I may be able to handle it, but they can’t.”

    While I totally agree with that, the real issue goes much deeper. That good argument does not address private drinking. You must give it up for Christ not public appearance.

    Of course, there are many other issues we need to cover including nutrition, wholesome conversation, financial integrity, sexual purity to name a few…but right now, the enemy is capitalizing on the subtly of alcohol to plateau and even destroy the power of vessels of God.

    You know you want power. You know you yearn for a greater presence of God on your life. Don’t let a crude habit sabotage your destiny. Remember, a real disciple gives up what they want now, for what they want most.
    The parts that I've bolded and made blue spoke to me in ways nothing else, no argument, no shaming, no blaming, no fist shaking, no guilt heaping, ever has in these discussions.

    And now that I see how much of it is blue, I guess it's pretty much the whole article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    The parts that I've bolded and made blue spoke to me in ways nothing else, no argument, no shaming, no blaming, no fist shaking, no guilt heaping, ever has in these discussions.

    And now that I see how much of it is blue, I guess it's pretty much the whole article.
    First off let me say I don't drink, never been drunk even before I knew the Lord. I can't see where drinking and not getting drunk is a sin in the Bible, even though when I see a Christian drink it does bother me and makes me feel 'different' about them, but I try and let it not have that effect.

    On the other hand, I was going to use some of what you put in blue to show things I'd disagreed with that cannot really be proven scripturally. For instance:

    Fine, be a casual drinker, but if you yearn for a deeper level of power and true revival—it is not for you.

    It may be okay for others, but if you want to see the notable miracles—the ones that quake cities and alter generations—then it is not for you.

    I mean that sounds good, but you have to give me scriptural proof, not just an opinion. The longer I have been a Christian I really want to see true scriptural arguments. And quotes from Proverbs about how it can be, or being a drunkard, etc, still don't prove the statements by Mario.

    Again, I really am against Christians drinking, but I can't see in the scriptures that being a moderate drinker will keep one from walking in the power of God, etc. Peter said it wasn't by our own power OR HOLINESS that made the man whole. It was the name of Jesus through faith in His name period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    First off let me say I don't drink, never been drunk even before I knew the Lord. I can't see where drinking and not getting drunk is a sin in the Bible, even though when I see a Christian drink it does bother me and makes me feel 'different' about them, but I try and let it not have that effect.

    On the other hand, I was going to use some of what you put in blue to show things I'd disagreed with that cannot really be proven scripturally. For instance:

    Fine, be a casual drinker, but if you yearn for a deeper level of power and true revival—it is not for you.

    It may be okay for others, but if you want to see the notable miracles—the ones that quake cities and alter generations—then it is not for you.

    I mean that sounds good, but you have to give me scriptural proof, not just an opinion. The longer I have been a Christian I really want to see true scriptural arguments. And quotes from Proverbs about how it can be, or being a drunkard, etc, still don't prove the statements by Mario.

    Again, I really am against Christians drinking, but I can't see in the scriptures that being a moderate drinker will keep one from walking in the power of God, etc. Peter said it wasn't by our own power OR HOLINESS that made the man whole. It was the name of Jesus through faith in His name period.
    Thank you for that.

    I was reading it as insight, rather than opinions.

    More to think about and consider.

    I like to read comments on articles like that and the comment at the top of the list is:

    chris says:
    November 18, 2017 at 1:58 am
    Mario, what do you feel about medical marijuana?


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    mariomurilloministries says:
    November 18, 2017 at 9:03 am
    About the same way I feel about medical Jack Daniels.
    That gave me pause because it seems like a very flippant reply to a very serious issue. There IS such a thing as medical marijuana and people's lives depend on it. So ....if he can be flippant about that, should I take his teaching on drinking so seriously?

    Just some thoughts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    Thank you for that.

    I was reading it as insight, rather than opinions.

    More to think about and consider.

    I like to read comments on articles like that and the comment at the top of the list is:



    That gave me pause because it seems like a very flippant reply to a very serious issue. There IS such a thing as medical marijuana and people's lives depend on it. So ....if he can be flippant about that, should I take his teaching on drinking so seriously?

    Just some thoughts.

    God forbid, I am not trying to talk you out of not drinking. I certainly don't want to do that with what I am saying. Like I said I don't drink myself. I mean there was a time I would have agreed with him wholeheartedly. But I just need a more scriptural argument than that these days, even though I am against Christians drinking myself. I mean they could be insights. But I just don't see the hard scriptural proof.

    I have a friend, haven't talked to him in several years but used to be somewhat close. This man probably hears God clearer than any person I know personally. He got saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, but still continued to smoke many years after he got saved, he just couldn't overcome it. During this time (many years) he spent thousands of hours in prayer, especially praying in tongues, and really developed in being able to hear the Spirit clearly. He teaches with real revelation. His pastor knew, but thankfully he wasn't one of those that didn't let him not minister just because he smoked. And when someone would invite him to preach and teach, the first thing he would tell them is that he smoked. Some would still let him come and some didn't. And all these years of hearing the Spirit clearly, the Spirit never talked to him about his smoking, even though my friend's conscience bothered him about it and he knew it was wrong. And he continued to be anointed, see miracles and healings, hear from the Spirit clearly, etc. Not only that, he was supernaturally healed from a heart problem during all this, in spite of being a smoker.

    Anyway, the Lord started to use him going overseas to teach etc. One day he was in NY for a meeting, and that night in his motel room Jesus appeared to him. He spoke to him about his smoking, but never used the term. I think He called it 'his habit' or something like that. But told him I am now sending you to places overseas, that if they knew you smoked it would completely ruin your testimony and they will never listen to you. He said you have done a good work for me, and you have a good reward waiting on you when you get to heaven, but when you get here I will have to pull back a curtain and show you your ministry and how much you fruit you missed because you won't overcome this habit. My friend said the pain of knowing that would happen one day was greater than the pain it quit to stop smoking. After that time he never had another cigarette but said it was probably a year and a half before he felt truly free.

    I said all that to say this. Jesus never called it sin (although my friend believed it was), never told him he wouldn't walk in the power any more if he didn't quit; never told him people wouldn't get healed, etc, etc, etc. With him it was a testimony thing and how it would hinder his ministry to certain people he was called to and thereby hinder the fruit of his ministry. I'm just real careful about saying a person won't walk in the power about a particular thing especially when the Bible doesn't say that.

    Anyway, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Paul said whatsoever is not of faith is sin. I think it would be a sin for me to drink because my conscience would bother me if I did. Some people can and it doesn't. I can't judge their holiness or their walk with God by something the Bible doesn't clearly call a sin (even though it does bother me because of how I feel about it personally). Or something that I personally don't think the Bible calls a sin, drinking and not getting drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I totally agree with Mario on this.

    https://mariomurilloministries.wordp...ers-who-drink/
    That was good. Thanks for sharing Bookman. I loved this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    First off let me say I don't drink, never been drunk even before I knew the Lord. I can't see where drinking and not getting drunk is a sin in the Bible, even though when I see a Christian drink it does bother me and makes me feel 'different' about them, but I try and let it not have that effect.

    On the other hand, I was going to use some of what you put in blue to show things I'd disagreed with that cannot really be proven scripturally. For instance:

    Fine, be a casual drinker, but if you yearn for a deeper level of power and true revival—it is not for you.

    It may be okay for others, but if you want to see the notable miracles—the ones that quake cities and alter generations—then it is not for you.

    I mean that sounds good, but you have to give me scriptural proof, not just an opinion. The longer I have been a Christian I really want to see true scriptural arguments. And quotes from Proverbs about how it can be, or being a drunkard, etc, still don't prove the statements by Mario.

    Again, I really am against Christians drinking, but I can't see in the scriptures that being a moderate drinker will keep one from walking in the power of God, etc. Peter said it wasn't by our own power OR HOLINESS that made the man whole. It was the name of Jesus through faith in His name period.
    I don't like to eat before ministering, before prayer, or any Church meeting because having food in my stomach distracts me. I can only imagine what its like to have alcohol (wine & beer included) in one's system.

    I guess the devil would have a field day messing the person up with symptoms of being inebriated even if they only had a small amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    Thank you for that.

    I was reading it as insight, rather than opinions.

    More to think about and consider.

    I like to read comments on articles like that and the comment at the top of the list is:



    That gave me pause because it seems like a very flippant reply to a very serious issue. There IS such a thing as medical marijuana and people's lives depend on it. So ....if he can be flippant about that, should I take his teaching on drinking so seriously?

    Just some thoughts.

    I didn't read it as flippant at all. I even commented...”Good answer!” And it absolutely was.
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