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    And Murillo's answer WAS flippant.
    How can you tell over the Internet? He feels the same way he feels about alcohol. What’s so flippant about that?How can anyone tell his heart intent through the Internet? Maybe his response hit a nerve because of your personal involvement and you felt he was judging?
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    Thanks fuego for your post about your friend. Very amazing indeed!

    The only thing that I can find in Scripture that condemns drinking is in 1 Cor 6:10 and Gal 5:21 that plainly says that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. Of coarse, that doesn't mean a drunkard can't be saved(I was one), but it does say that those whose lives are characterized by a lifestyle of drinking are not saved. I could not say that a Christian who has an occasional drink would fall into that category though. I myself would never touch another drop of booze because of the deep bondage it had on me before Christ (BC days). I think when it's all done and said though, it comes down to walking by the Spirit to ensure that one avoids giving into the sinful desires of the flesh. God's Spirit and the sinful nature (flesh) are in opposition to one another, and the believer cannot serve two masters. So, I believe it's of utmost importance to keep a clear conscience and clean testimony because the world (unsaved) are watching (at least they are me). I don't want to put anyone on a guilt trip because they may drink an occasional beer or glass of wine, but the imperative "walk by the Spirit" is based on the fact "those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God," and I've never heard anyone say that the Holy Spirit is leading me to have this "shot" or get drunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    God forbid, I am not trying to talk you out of not drinking. I certainly don't want to do that with what I am saying. Like I said I don't drink myself. I mean there was a time I would have agreed with him wholeheartedly. But I just need a more scriptural argument than that these days, even though I am against Christians drinking myself. I mean they could be insights. But I just don't see the hard scriptural proof.

    I have a friend, haven't talked to him in several years but used to be somewhat close. This man probably hears God clearer than any person I know personally. He got saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, but still continued to smoke many years after he got saved, he just couldn't overcome it. During this time (many years) he spent thousands of hours in prayer, especially praying in tongues, and really developed in being able to hear the Spirit clearly. He teaches with real revelation. His pastor knew, but thankfully he wasn't one of those that didn't let him not minister just because he smoked. And when someone would invite him to preach and teach, the first thing he would tell them is that he smoked. Some would still let him come and some didn't. And all these years of hearing the Spirit clearly, the Spirit never talked to him about his smoking, even though my friend's conscience bothered him about it and he knew it was wrong. And he continued to be anointed, see miracles and healings, hear from the Spirit clearly, etc. Not only that, he was supernaturally healed from a heart problem during all this, in spite of being a smoker.

    Anyway, the Lord started to use him going overseas to teach etc. One day he was in NY for a meeting, and that night in his motel room Jesus appeared to him. He spoke to him about his smoking, but never used the term. I think He called it 'his habit' or something like that. But told him I am now sending you to places overseas, that if they knew you smoked it would completely ruin your testimony and they will never listen to you. He said you have done a good work for me, and you have a good reward waiting on you when you get to heaven, but when you get here I will have to pull back a curtain and show you your ministry and how much you fruit you missed because you won't overcome this habit. My friend said the pain of knowing that would happen one day was greater than the pain it quit to stop smoking. After that time he never had another cigarette but said it was probably a year and a half before he felt truly free.

    I said all that to say this. Jesus never called it sin (although my friend believed it was), never told him he wouldn't walk in the power any more if he didn't quit; never told him people wouldn't get healed, etc, etc, etc. With him it was a testimony thing and how it would hinder his ministry to certain people he was called to and thereby hinder the fruit of his ministry. I'm just real careful about saying a person won't walk in the power about a particular thing especially when the Bible doesn't say that.

    Anyway, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. Paul said whatsoever is not of faith is sin. I think it would be a sin for me to drink because my conscience would bother me if I did. Some people can and it doesn't. I can't judge their holiness or their walk with God by something the Bible doesn't clearly call a sin (even though it does bother me because of how I feel about it personally). Or something that I personally don't think the Bible calls a sin, drinking and not getting drunk.


    I have to say, your first sentence made me laugh.

    I don't feel like you're trying to talk me out of drinking. And at this point in my walk with Jesus, He's the only one who can tell me I shouldn't have an occasional adult beverage. We didn't drink for MANY years after we came to Jesus and now we do, some, and I've come to realize that what we choose to do, or not do, can become quite religious and in that religiosity, judge others. Like smokers who quit and become annoying. Like people who lose weight and all they do is talk about food... people who exercise ... vegans ...

    Thank you for the story about your friend. Great testimony and again, gives me lots to think about.

    I love the way you teach and share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    I don't want to put anyone on a guilt trip because they may drink an occasional beer or glass of wine, but the imperative "walk by the Spirit" is based on the fact "those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God," and I've never heard anyone say that the Holy Spirit is leading me to have this "shot" or get drunk.
    In 'natural' matters I don't think the Spirit leads us to do what is covered by common sense. I mean the Spirit has never led me to have a coke, or tea, or to change the oil in my car, or take a bath, or wash my clothes, etc, etc, etc. (although he could if I was ignorantly neglecting to change my oil, etc.) There are some things we don't have to be 'led' TO do. And look at the verse you quoted, "those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God", and look at the verse before it (Romans 8). It's specifically talking about being led into the mortification of the flesh by the Spirit and verses 26, 27 (Romans 8) are how it's practically accomplished. So the leadership of the Spirit would be NOT to drink coffee, or tea, or alcohol, or whatever else might constitute an infirmity or weakness of the flesh (v 26), not necessarily TO drink something (but the Spirit could in certain circumstances for whatever reason).

    So I don't think the assumption that no one has ever been led to drink alcohol is a valid argument. As a matter of fact, Paul suggested to Timothy the he DO for medical purposes. So there is that. That being the case, bringing in the MJ discussion, then why wouldn't He theoretically lead someone to take some THC for pain if that's what was the most beneficial for them? :)

    We really can't put the Holy Spirit in a box when there is no clear scripture for some of the things we argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post


    I have to say, your first sentence made me laugh.

    I don't feel like you're trying to talk me out of drinking.
    No, I said I wasn't trying to talk you out of NOT drinking. Meaning if you weren't a drinker, giving you an excuse TO drink. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Woman View Post
    I don't like to eat before ministering, before prayer, or any Church meeting because having food in my stomach distracts me. I can only imagine what its like to have alcohol (wine & beer included) in one's system.

    I guess the devil would have a field day messing the person up with symptoms of being inebriated even if they only had a small amount.

    A person doesn't become inebriated on a small amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    No, I said I wasn't trying to talk you out of NOT drinking. Meaning if you weren't a drinker, giving you an excuse TO drink. lol.


    Oh, woops.


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    There must be something about wine, strong drink, and beer because there are several scriptures where God instructs people not to drink. Like Samson's mother for instance. I wonder if she had disobeyed and drank alcohol, would Samson have had the anointing (power) Murillo spoke about?

    "And the Angel of the LORD appeared to the woman and said to her, "Indeed now, you are barren and have borne no children, but you shall conceive and bear a son. Now therefore, please be careful not to drink wine or similar drink, and not to eat anything unclean.

    So the Angel of the LORD said to Manoah, "Of all that I said to the woman let her be careful. She may not eat anything that comes from the vine, nor may she drink wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean. All that I commanded her let her observe."" Judges‬ *13:3-4, 13-14‬ *
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post

    A person doesn't become inebriated on a small amount.
    I did whenever I did have a drink in my young years. I rarely drank (didn’t like the taste), but when I did, I became inebriated after just one glass, even those wine coolers made me tipsy.
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    We really can't put the Holy Spirit in a box when there is no clear scripture for some of the things we argue.
    Well, I said on the Juanita Bynum thread that I felt like arguing...So I guess this is it. Thanks Bookie!
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