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    Bill Johnson's church (there's nothing MSOG related there either) :

    http://www.bethel.com/core-values/

    HIS KINGDOM IS ADVANCING


    "God is big and victorious. The devil is small and defeated. We are in a battle, but the outcome is not in doubt! 1 John 4:4; Colossians 2:13-15; 1 John 2:13; 1 John 5:4-5; Romans 8:31-39; John 12:31; Acts 4:23-31; 1 John 3:8; Hebrews 2:14-15; John 16:33; Mark 5:1-13.

    We believe and live the prayer, “Your Kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.” Therefore, we partner with the King in natural and supernatural ways to establish mercy, justice, and righteousness until He comes. Matthew 6:9-10; Matthew 10:7-8; Isaiah 9:7; Isaiah 33:5-6; Micah 6:8; Matthew 10:42; Matthew 25:40; John 14:12; James 1:27; Matthew 12:22-29.

    As believers, we are all in full-time ministry as God advances His Kingdom into every area of society. Our work and efforts both inside and outside the church are sacred and valuable acts of worship to God. 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 12:1; Matthew 5:13-16; Colossians 3:23-24; Daniel 6:3; Proverbs 22:29; Ephesians 6:5-9; Matthew 25:31-46.

    Although we will experience resistance and conflict as the Kingdom advances, we expect the culture to be changed as people come to salvation and take their places in God’s purpose for the world. John 15:19-21; John 16:33; Colossians 1:13-14; 2 Corinthians 4:8-11; 2 Corinthians 12:10; Nehemiah 2:1-10; Matthew 5:13-16; Acts 19:11-41.

    What Does This Mean?

    We focus on the good that God is doing in the world and live with contagious hope and joy. Romans 15:13; 2 Corinthians 4:16-18; Philippians 4:8-9; Ephesians 1:17-19; Acts 13:52.

    Jesus has already won; we pray and minister from the power of His victory over darkness. Ephesians 1:18-23; Ephesians 2:4-6; 1 John 3:8; 1 John 4:4; Matthew 11:11; Isaiah 54:17.

    We recognize that God’s Spirit is at work everywhere in the world and we partner with Him so people are reconciled to Him. Psalm 139:7; Romans 5:20; 2 Corinthians 5:16-20; Matthew 10:7-8; Mark 16:15-18; Romans 10:14-15; Colossians 1:28-29; Matthew 24:14.

    We seek Heaven’s answers for earthly problems and take practical risks in faith to see the answers realized in our world. Matthew 6:9-10; Genesis 41:1-46; Acts 11:27-30; Matthew 17:24-27; 1 Samuel 14:6-23; Acts 3:1-10.

    We discover our gifts and excel in them in order to best serve society and its leaders, so we all may prosper. Daniel 1:16-21; Daniel 2:26-28; Genesis 41:1-46; 1 Timothy 2:1-2; 1 Peter 4:10-11; 1 Timothy 4:14-16; Proverbs 22:29; Exodus 31:1-11.

    We bless and pray for people who persecute us as we seek to bring Heaven to earth. Matthew 5:43-45; Luke 6:27-28; Proverbs 25:21; Acts 16:22-34.

    One of the ways we transform the world is by agreeing with and declaring the good news of the Kingdom. Proverbs 11:11; 2 Corinthians 4:13; Matthew 10:7-8; Proverbs 18:21; James 3:2-5; Matthew 16:18-19; Matthew 18:18-20; Matthew 21:21-22.

    We live to make the world better for future generations that we may never see. Proverbs 13:22; Deuteronomy 7:9; 2 Timothy 2:2; Isaiah 9:7.

    Do Not Misunderstand…

    Even though we live with hope, we do not deny the existence of difficult or painful circumstances. John 16:33; 2 Corinthians 4:7-11; 2 Corinthians 4: 16-18; 1 Corinthians 4:11-13; Philippians 4:11-14.

    The enemy will try to resist us and we will experience opposition and persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12; Romans 8:31-39; Acts 14:22-23; 1 Thessalonians 2:17-18; Philippians 1:12-14.

    We cannot change the world by human strength and ability alone. Zechariah 4:6; 2 Corinthians 3:4-6; Jeremiah 17:5-6; 1 Peter 4:10-11.

    While we hope that everyone will be reconciled to God, sadly, not all will respond to the invitation to come home to the Father. Matthew 22:1-14; Matthew 13:24-30; 1 Timothy 2:3-5; 2 Peter 3:9; Matthew 25:31-46.

    God desires to prosper and bless leaders in society so that society itself will be a blessing. 1 Timothy 2:1-2; Jeremiah 29:7; Isaiah 60:1-3; Isaiah 61:1-4; Proverbs 11:11; Jonah 3.

    We do not have to be at the highest point of influence in society to bring Kingdom changes. Luke 13:18-21; Matthew 20:25-27; Acts 4:13; Genesis 41:1-41.

    A lifestyle of servanthood is often the means by which we gain greater favor and influence in society. Matthew 20:25-27; Philippians 2:5-18; Luke 2:51-52; 1 Samuel 2:26; Daniel 2:1-49.

    Some aspects of the Kingdom that we are pursuing may not be witnessed in our lifetime, but rather in the lives of our children’s children. Hebrews 11:13; Philippians 3:13-14; 1 Corinthians 9:24."

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    Michael Brown asks Bill Johnson questions about controversies :


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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Well, since you're unwilling to discuss and bring out the error 'into the light' since none of us are looking for 'honest discourse', I guess that's as good a way as any to keep from having to defend your accusations and opening them to debate.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything some of these guys such as Bill Johnson, etc, believe is correct (although of everything I've personally heard, I can't point out anything that I directly disagree with, at least from Bill, I don't listen to the others that much, or him any more really for the most part), but they're certainly not heretics, and they believe more accurately than a lot of ministers, including those who are cessationist, etc, believe.

    How unscriptural is believing God saves, heals, delivers, sets free, etc? And some of these guys do NOT teach the extreme errors of MSOG. Period.
    Again, there is ZERO scriptural support for 7 mountain theology. Let's start there if you want a debate.

    The concept of a church/state alliance is as old as the hills, born out of Rome.

    You can stretch scripture like "be the salt of the Earth" to "rule the earth" at your own risk.

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    I believe God calls us to be an influence on the world with the message of Christ and all aspects of culture included...I have learned a lot from Bill Johnson...that does not mean I have to embrace all he believes or reject him because of some difference...we are all a work in progress...

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