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    Quote Originally Posted by Lista View Post
    Whoa....both of you need to cool off a little bit. Colonel, you could have asked a little nicer for an explanation, there was no need to be snarky with the mind reader comment, and cardinal your response was much more aggressive than it needed to be. To me, you're both not responding well to each other, so go to your rooms and think about what you've done. seriously, you both might want to step away from the situation, and calm down.
    I had already asked a number of questions with the intent of getting a reply that would enable me to understand better what the OP was about then I was told that I missed the point, as if I ought to understand it without the need to ask any questions. Which would either mean that I'm a mind reader or it would mean that I did understand the OP and that I was merely lying about the need to ask questions about it. Given those two options, I was polite enough to go with the one that didn't imply that I was a liar with an agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    What are people's opinions regarding the birth of illegitimate children. I know this is an emotional issue and don't want to cause pain as people have been born illegitimately and have adopted illegitimate children.

    First let me say that every child conceived and born is instantly loved by God and God has saved many illegitimate children and they have become some of the best Christians

    But God ordained marriage and only wanted children birthed from marriages and even though illegitimate are loved by God there are always consequences and struggles these children go through.
    There is also a curse that can affect illegitimate kids.

    With so many kids being born out of marriage is this a major reason why more and more kids seem to have increasing struggles with suicide, depression and other psychological illnesses.
    Yes I know it has always been there and even Christian kids suffer but it must have a cumulative sin affect on society

    Is there a correlation with illegitimate kids and Gods judgement in the last days as there will be more Illegitmate people alive at that time then any other era of earths history.

    Of course the sin is by the parents but we know that their sin will affect the next generation
    > Is there a correlation with illegitimate kids and Gods judgement in the last days

    Malachi 2:15 Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.

    Gods plan for marriage is to produce godly fruit so yes, as evil increases so will bad fruit.

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    I had already asked a number of questions with the intent of getting a reply that would enable me to understand better what the OP was about then I was told that I missed the point, as if I ought to understand it without the need to ask any questions. Which would either mean that I'm a mind reader or it would mean that I did understand the OP and that I was merely lying about the need to ask questions about it. Given those two options, I was polite enough to go with the one that didn't imply that I was a liar with an agenda.
    Sometimes you just need to hear what the Mod says and shut up.

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    Why don't people read my OP very slowly considering that I made it clear that the parents were at fault and God also instantly loves children born out of wedlock.

    It seems people were ready to pounce because I used the word illegitimate. That was the point....regardless of everything else they are illegitimate because God only destined children from marriage.

    Does he redeem every situation.....YES - DEFINITELY and he redeems illegitimate kids

    Can we not discuss genuine biblical realities without people being PC offended.

    I am a little amazed that there is such ignorance on this topic when it is clearly identified in the OT as a major curse

    The fruit on society has been horrendous and has opened the door to much satanic activity but we are too precious about being offended by a pc word.

    The Lords mercy is he redeems out of wedlock kids but the whole point is that they are illegitimate from Gods original position of children born in marriage

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    Do we get offended at the Holy Spirit for using this verse

    Heb 12:8 - But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    Look at the word the HS uses to describe people - the literal greek meaning is noth'-os ; a spurious or illegitimate son: - bastard

    God does not play word games he tells the truth with what he calls evil - The actual context is a serious challenge to believers who are on the edge of their salvation and are told to not be illegitimate

    God sees every sinner before salvation as spiritually illegitimate and needing redemption....and that included me


    But there is also natural illegitimacy because the holiness of marriage was defiled - only a few verses down we find
    Heb 13:4 - Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

    Unmarried sex is a serious defilement in Gods eyes and children born out of wedlock are defiled as are the parents whether we like it or not and yes it causes many demonic doors of satanic activity to be released which means society reaps untold evil

    Sorry the death of Jesus does not stop OT curses on earth.......his blood forgives and stops the curse when it is applied to the individual person but not society



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Do we get offended at the Holy Spirit for using this verse

    Heb 12:8 - But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    Look at the word the HS uses to describe people - the literal greek meaning is noth'-os ; a spurious or illegitimate son: - bastard

    God does not play word games he tells the truth with what he calls evil - The actual context is a serious challenge to believers who are on the edge of their salvation and are told to not be illegitimate

    God sees every sinner before salvation as spiritually illegitimate and needing redemption....and that included me


    But there is also natural illegitimacy because the holiness of marriage was defiled - only a few verses down we find
    Heb 13:4 - Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled, but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

    Unmarried sex is a serious defilement in Gods eyes and children born out of wedlock are defiled as are the parents whether we like it or not and yes it causes many demonic doors of satanic activity to be released which means society reaps untold evil

    Sorry the death of Jesus does not stop this....his blood forgives and stops the curse when it is applied to the individual person but not society



    Now back to regular programming of Sesame Street if this has offended some
    gotta get them young'uns saved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    gotta get them young'uns saved!
    Exactly

    But Christians need to understand why immorality is vile in Gods eyes as well as the consequences on the next generation. We are more like the ostrich who sees no evil and hears no evil

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    I don't think Hebrews 12:8 speaks to the general spiritual status of illegitimate children. I think it speaks to inheritance rights, meaning that our Father's right to chastise us goes hand in hand with our inheritance rights as his legitimate children. If we can't accept being chastised by him then we shouldn't expect to receive an inheritance in the kingdom of God either.

    According to Strong's Greek lexicon, the term translated as bastard was often used about children born of concubines or female slaves, and those didn't have the inheritance rights of the children born by the actual wife. Other illegitimate children that the father didn't acknowledge as his own obviously wouldn't inherit him either.

    I have no idea what "children born out of wedlock are defiled" is supposed to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Exactly

    But Christians need to understand why immorality is vile in Gods eyes as well as the consequences on the next generation. We are more like the ostrich who sees no evil and hears no evil

    Yes, divorce, having children out of wedlock = generational consequences

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    Just a BTW thing here as it relates to children and the gospel. A lot of kids have never heard the word "sin", so don't be surprised when giving the gospel to them when they ask "what is sin, I never heard of that". I just ask them if they've ever done anything bad and felt bad about it, they always say yes, then I tell them, that's sin, would you like to be forgiven? They get it real quick.

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