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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
    35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
    36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
    37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.

    I don't even need to be a man to command you to be silent based on the letter of scripture.
    So you still have no legitimate Biblical grounds to counter what I presented as Biblically substantiated truth..we are done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    You could have divorced him and returned to your former husband or at the very least remained single. That "divorce" would merely have been a formality since it would really just have ended your adultery. Again, this is a matter of dealing with scripture the way you yourself choose to do.
    Actually no....scripture even forbids that...Jesus said one is not to remarry, but the OT adds that if one does she is not to return to her first husband...

    If I divorced my second husband I would be doing the same thing...divorcing for unbiblical reasons..two wrongs don't make a right..

    And you know hat else Colonel...my imperfections or perfections (you decide) do not affect the truth of God's word do they?

    You should be ashamed for trying to discredit the Word of God by accusing the messenger...shame on you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    It's not a strawman argument because it pertains to your credibility when discussing scripture in general. You are the one who has defined lettermindedness as absolute truth but only when it suits you.
    You can regurgitate that all day long..it does not make it so...if you think that passage legitimizes sin you are sadly mistaken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Actually no....scripture even forbids that...Jesus said one is not to remarry, but the OT adds that if one does she is not to return to her first husband...

    If I divorced my second husband I would be doing the same thing...divorcing for unbiblical reasons..two wrongs don't make a right..

    And you know hat else Colonel...my imperfections or perfections (you decide) do not affect the truth of God's word do they?

    You should be ashamed for trying to discredit the Word of God by accusing the messenger...shame on you
    That's the OT ceremonial law and it was probably addressing a culture of wife swapping. According to your legalistic thinking, the NT annuls your second marriage which means that this is merely a matter of returning back to your first and only husband, hoping that he will forgive your adultery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    That's the OT ceremonial law and it was probably addressing a culture of wife swapping. According to your legalistic thinking, the NT annuls your second marriage which means that this is merely a matter of returning back to your first and only husband, hoping that he will forgive your adultery.
    Well...that is not scriptural at all Colonel...

    OT or not, it's Still stated and the NT gives us nothing that counters it...Jesus said the FATHER truly intends for us to remain married only to our first spouse...anything after that is sin and has to come under the blood....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Well...that is not scriptural at all Colonel.

    OT or not, it's Still stated and the NT gives us nothing that counters it...Jesus said the FATHER truly intends for us to remain married only to our first spouse...anything after that is sin and has to come under the blood....
    Now you're making no sense. Previously you employed Jesus' statement to annul the OT right to divorce at all and then you try to invoke an OT scripture about what not to do if one has remarried, as if that remarriage is legitimate rather than illegimate as you yourself declared it to be previously. You can't have it both ways.

    I think you know this well and what you have done is come up with a justification for what you have ended up doing, which is to condemn your divorce but condone your current marriage. You're not being biblical at all, just self justifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    5. The committed one must devote themselves to the process of loving GOD first and completely in order for the LORD to enable them to love their 'unlovable' spouse and to enable them to truly forgive and open their wounded hardened heart back up.

    6. In the case of abuse and danger, scripture is silent so I believe that when one is weak spiritually they are the most vulnerable to give in to the temptation to divorce..this is the time to seek to renew the relationship with the Lord; the time to fast and pray and seek the heart and mind of God in order to renew their commitment to His will that they don't give up on God to work a miracle in their marriage.
    Quest, how do you think that women in India of their own accord and against their family's wishes came up with the decision to commit sati and burn themselves alive on their husband's funeral pyre ? How did they reason ? I can tell you how. They reasoned that this was the ultimate act of selflessness, demonstrating to the Hindu god that they were worthy of being reincarnated into a higher caste. In that act, they were the greatest among Hindus, even though they were women. They could look at the others from within the flames and know that this was a fact. Some lost it at some time before they became unconscious and returned to being just ordinary women, some kept the attitude going into death and proved themselves goddesses of Hinduism, eternally incorruptible. Self-deification in the name of "God", whether that God is Krishna or Jesus or whoever it is, is an abomination in the eyes of God.

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    He was also merciful when He sent Paul to Rome...Michele God has higher plans than our temporal happiness...and only when we align with His will and submit to His Lordship do we see that played out in those hard places of our life...He is able to comfort and encourage through the hardest of situations.
    When GOD who is love and merdiful and faithful gives us an instruction and we ask Him, How Lord..we can rest assured love motivated that instruction even if for the moment it is ever so painful.
    He does have higher plans for me and He wants me alive for them ;)

    Truths of God's word don't oppose each other...they compliment.....the same truth that affirms who we are in Christ does not then contradict His other truth regarding divorce.
    You are so right! That's why just because two people say a few words in front of a preacher or a judge, it doesn't mean God joined them. Get it yet?

    If your abuser chose to leave you then I would say yes, God intervened..if you are saying God told YOU to divorce I have to respectfully disagree...God does not contradict Himself...
    If you could have been there to witness what I endured, you would not be so cold and hard hearted. I will pray for your heart to soften and for you to understand what mercy really is.


    Yes you are His beloved daughter...
    And so are you.

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    FYI...I left this tread after tacking my list to the door...you may PM for any serious questions or discussions...I won't answer snarky or irrelevant comments..

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    Let's see what one of the (previously) most religiously zealous people imaginable had to say :

    Phil 3:4 If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more:
    5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee;
    6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

    And then :

    7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ.
    8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ
    9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.
    10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
    11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

    He's talking about the real thing.

    12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
    13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
    14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

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