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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Unconditional means unconditional but love does not mean to aid the abuser in having free and easy access to a victim at all times.
    Agree, intentionally keeping oneself in harms way is actually self-abuse, more of a demonic thing, not a love walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Well as stated from page one...sigh....because we entered a vowed covenant and God desires us to be a people who KEEP those covenants..

    Secondly just like all other areas of our life we are tested to die to the flesh and live as unto Christ for the purpose of Him transforming us into His image..how that turns out is between HIM and us.

    Third...AS we submit to HIM and stop being our spouses judge we take ourselves out of the way for HIM to work on them..
    How that turns out is between HIM and them.
    So in other words the only purpose is to have kept a commandment for the sake of keeping that commandment. The Saudi Arabian cleric would have been well pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Unconditional means unconditional but love does not mean to aid the abuser in having free and easy access to a victim at all times.
    First most divorce is not due to abuse just like abortion is RARELY for the life of the mother as I stated earlier...that just a straw man argument that is used to reduce a Biblical discussion to emotionalism...

    One can separate for safety if the Holy Spirit leads or we need a time of rest to restore our relationship and clarity with the Lord....there is no scripture that refutes that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So in other words the only purpose is to have kept a commandment for the sake of keeping that commandment. The Saudi Arabian cleric would have been well pleased.
    Well, that's obviously not what I said but...that's ok...you and Bap have been trying to twist my words all along...
    God is a covenant keeper and HE wants us to be as HE is...but you can spin it if you like..

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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Agree, intentionally keeping oneself in harms way is actually self-abuse, more of a demonic thing, not a love walk.
    So Jesus who intentionally kept Himself in harms way was self abuse of a demonic thing?

    So missionaries who go into dangerous places putting themselves in harms way is self abuse and a demonic thing?

    So entrusting our safety and very life in the hands of God as we act in obedience to His word is self abuse of a demonic thing?

    As I stated one does not have to divorce to get out of harms way....one can just separate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Well, that's obviously not what I said but...that's ok...you and Bap have been trying to twist my words all along...
    God is a covenant keeper and HE wants us to be as HE is...but you can spin it if you like..
    I have no idea how what you just said differs from the comparison you just objected to. Really.

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    Why would that be different?...you would give your life for strangers but not your own husband or wife?
    I would give my life for Christ.

    A man who beats his wife is not a husband who loves his wife like Christ loves the church.

    You are wrong on this issue Quest.

    Would you insist your daughter stay in an abusive situation. If you saw her with black eyes and busted lips would you advise her to stay and pray and love the monster she is with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    So Jesus who intentionally kept Himself in harms way was self abuse of a demonic thing?

    So missionaries who go into dangerous places putting themselves in harms way is self abuse and a demonic thing?

    So entrusting our safety and very life in the hands of God as we act in obedience to His word is self abuse of a demonic thing?
    Not for the sake of the gospel. "for the sake of the gospel" has a very specific definition that does not include being beaten by one's husband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Not for the sake of the gospel. "for the sake of the gospel" has a very specific definition that does not include being beaten by one's husband.
    Yes...being a witness and a light of God's love and character to others...we love to do that for people who don't see us where we live don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Yes...being a witness and a light of God's love and character to others...we love to do that for people who don't see us where we live don't we?
    There is not one single person on the face of the Earth who doesn't already believe like you do who will be motioned in the direction of Christ by watching someone submit willingly to being a free and at all times available victim to an abuser. Some nut might watch that then want to become a Hindu ala human sacrifice and widowburning because that is even more hardcore self victimization but that would be about it.

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