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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Astonished is indeed the correct word.

    Hopefully Quest will respond to the questions posed to her about whether or not she would consider going back to her first husband if feasible ?
    Or simply define her current relationship as adultery and break up with her current man and then live as a single woman for the rest of her life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    LOL...I have no bitterness..

    forgiveness can be extended without divorce as well...
    And can be extended without subjecting oneself to more abuse.

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    Quest,

    Unconditional love does not require subjection to abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle View Post
    Quest,

    Unconditional love does not require subjection to abuse.
    Mat 12:2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”
    3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
    4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
    5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
    6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
    7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.
    8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

    Isn't Jesus also Lord of his own sayings ? Isn't he the Word incarnate, from Genesis through Revelation ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle View Post
    He did transform me! He caused me to see my worth and value as a human being and as His child!
    Yep
    He loves me and does not want me to be abused.
    Yep
    I may one day have to suffer abuse because I won't renounce Christ but that is a different story altogether.
    Why would that be different?...you would give your life for strangers but not your own husband or wife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Why would that be different?...you would give your life for strangers but not your own husband or wife?
    Specifically for what purpose ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle View Post
    Quest,

    Unconditional love does not require subjection to abuse.
    what does unconditional mean then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    what does unconditional mean then?
    Unconditional means unconditional but love does not mean to aid the abuser in having free and easy access to a victim at all times.

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    Unconditional love for the Lord implies not placing oneself further from God's love than others. That is being truly selfless.

    1 Cor 13:3 though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing

    Some call committing sati the ultimate act of selflessness but in the eyes of the Lord it is an abomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Specifically for what purpose ?
    Well as stated from page one...sigh....because we entered a vowed covenant and God desires us to be a people who KEEP those covenants..

    Secondly just like all other areas of our life we are tested to die to the flesh and live as unto Christ for the purpose of Him transforming us into His image..how that turns out is between HIM and us.

    Third...AS we submit to HIM and stop being our spouses judge we take ourselves out of the way for HIM to work on them..
    How that turns out is between HIM and them.

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