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    Divorce is not the unforgivable sin. Most of us consider that unbelievers are not held to the Biblical standard. I've been married for 41 years to the same man, my first and only husband.

    Unless it is for frivolous reasons, as far as I'm concerned, if a believer divorces, that is between the person and God. When we stand before God, I think He will be more concerned as to whether our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life than if we are divorced and remarried.

    The Todd Bentley thread is another matter. I am very hard on him because as an evangelist in the middle of an outpouring that went around the world on tv, he was straying from his wife, the mother of their young children. It was a disgrace to the name of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Anyway Don't let the colonel boggle your mind .. Nothing mind boggling about divorce justification has been proferred by anyone except those who insist on creating strawmen
    Into what ? Seeing a difference between what I've been saying and what you (and especially some others) have been saying ? Too bad.

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    Now that you agree that everything is NOT included, we are back to trying to figure out what IS included. According to you, divorce outside of adultery and the unbeliever wants out IS included, according to Quest it is NOT included. Which implies stalemate.

    Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong.

    Even if you ARE right, we are still left with having to define just HOW FAR we are to go with including divorce rather than "frivolous divorce"
    I already defined it several times .

    1) it's between the person and the Lord
    2) It has to be spirit led
    3) it has to be beyond a pressure point that the individual can bear
    4) it can't be frivolous and it has to be with full understanding that marriage is sacred

    I have said all the above one way or the other many times so why come up with the rape ,murder talking points other than to disagree for disagreements sake ?

    What other definitions are you looking for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    I already defined it several times .

    1) it's between the person and the Lord
    2) It has to be spirit led
    3) it has to be beyond a pressure point that the individual can bear
    4) it can't be frivolous and it has to be with full understanding that marriage is sacred

    I have said all the above one way or the other many times so why come up with the rape ,murder talking points other than to disagree for disagreements sake ?

    What other definitions are you looking for ?
    All I'm saying is that you can't derive your precise view from that particular passage. The passage isn't particularly useful. You don't need to take every last little thing I say, any kind of criticism of anything, as some kind of a personal attack or broadside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly sue View Post
    Divorce is not the unforgivable sin. Most of us consider that unbelievers are not held to the Biblical standard. I've been married for 41 years to the same man, my first and only husband.

    Unless it is for frivolous reasons, as far as I'm concerned, if a believer divorces, that is between the person and God. When we stand before God, I think He will be more concerned as to whether our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life than if we are divorced and remarried.

    The Todd Bentley thread is another matter. I am very hard on him because as an evangelist in the middle of an outpouring that went around the world on tv, he was straying from his wife, the mother of their young children. It was a disgrace to the name of Christ.
    No sin is unpardonable except rejecting Jesus..but anytime we willfully sin we are taking a risk..sort of like when a drug user takes a hit...will they come back from it or not?

    The issue I see with the church's un-biblical stance on divorce is that many never repent..

    When we talked about churches embracing homosexuality and gay marriage the major problem we see is that it is saying 'you are doing nothing wrong'.
    The church is saying divorce is a 'bad or sad' thing but they are not saying what the BIBLE actually says about it...many feel bad about 'having to divorce' but many never repent because they feel justified. We do not repent for what we have justified..

    That is exactly why divorce is so rampant...it is not taught Biblically.

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    Hmmm....the problem I see with where this thread went was in the 'what justifies divorce'. The irony here? Again, the Bible itself only gives TWO..and even one of those is not recommended...so when people start to debate from human reasoning and even trying to use various unrelated passages to prove the limit it gets really muddy...

    Why not just stick to what scripture actually says? No wonder it's so rampant in the church...doing what seems right in their own eyes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    No sin is unpardonable except rejecting Jesus..but anytime we willfully sin we are taking a risk..sort of like when a drug user takes a hit...will they come back from it or not?

    The issue I see with the church's un-biblical stance on divorce is that many never repent..

    When we talked about churches embracing homosexuality and gay marriage the major problem we see is that it is saying 'you are doing nothing wrong'.
    The church is saying divorce is a 'bad or sad' thing but they are not saying what the BIBLE actually says about it...many feel bad about 'having to divorce' but many never repent because they feel justified. We do not repent for what we have justified..

    That is exactly why divorce is so rampant...it is not taught Biblically.
    They make blanket rules outside of the very few cases that the Bible specifically condones. For instance by redefining adultery to include not being given proper attention (or something like that) and then there is all of a sudden a blanket rule that can be applied to almost anything, which really means that anyone who feels like divorcing and who has any kind of a marriage problem will be able to fit that into the blanket rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    They make blanket rules outside of the very few cases that the Bible specifically condones. For instance by redefining adultery to include not being given proper attention (or something like that) and then there is all of a sudden a blanket rule that can be applied to almost anything, which really means that anyone who feels like divorcing and who has any kind of a marriage problem will be able to fit that into the blanket rule.
    If the boundaries scripture has placed are removed there are no boundaries...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    If the boundaries scripture has placed are removed there are no boundaries...
    Romans 7:6
    2 Cor 3:6

    I once read Romans chapter 6 one thousand times during a summer, you should make it your assignment to read those two verses one thousand times, that shouldn't take that much time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    Hmmm....the problem I see with where this thread went was in the 'what justifies divorce'. The irony here? Again, the Bible itself only gives TWO..and even one of those is not recommended...so when people start to debate from human reasoning and even trying to use various unrelated passages to prove the limit it gets really muddy...

    Why not just stick to what scripture actually says? No wonder it's so rampant in the church...doing what seems right in their own eyes..
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    They make blanket rules outside of the very few cases that the Bible specifically condones. For instance by redefining adultery to include not being given proper attention (or something like that) and then there is all of a sudden a blanket rule that can be applied to almost anything, which really means that anyone who feels like divorcing and who has any kind of a marriage problem will be able to fit that into the blanket rule.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    If the boundaries scripture has placed are removed there are no boundaries...
    I have to agree.

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