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    What Biblical REASONS does the scripture give for divorce? What other passages add to or correct what Jesus stated? Moses said you can divorce because of your hardened hearts but in the beginning it was not so..GOD...
    Did hardened hearts end with Moses ? Don't people today have hardened hearts ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Did hardened hearts end with Moses ? Don't people today have hardened hearts ?
    Implicitly it means that you, the hearer of his words, should not have a hardened heart in the matter. If everyone abided by that then both spouses would be able to work through their problems and save their marriage. If the other party does have a hardened heart then divorce may be inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    What Biblical REASONS does the scripture give for divorce? What other passages add to or correct what Jesus stated? Moses said you can divorce because of your hardened hearts but in the beginning it was not so..GOD...
    proverbs 21:9 It is better to live in a corner of a roof Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

    ------>>Grounds for divorce ???

    You be the Judge

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Uh Oh now he is a Dragon ? was it a dragon who tempted eve or a serpent ? See the bible contradicts itself :) :)
    Are you being serious, or just joshing?

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    Are you being serious, or just joshing?
    I am Joshing .. Just highlighting the dangers of legalism ...The letter kills but the spirit brings life

    Quest believes that it is ok to divorce an unbelieving spouse who doesn't want to be married but it is NOT ok to divorce a "believing" spouse who doesn't want to be married as if the impact on the individual is any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    Did hardened hearts end with Moses ? Don't people today have hardened hearts ?
    Absolutely...so even for adultery Jesus makes it clear that LOVE is the better way...

    (Do we have a smiley for 'duck and run'?) We need one :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Implicitly it means that you, the hearer of his words, should not have a hardened heart in the matter. If everyone abided by that then both spouses would be able to work through their problems and save their marriage. If the other party does have a hardened heart then divorce may be inevitable.
    In the case of the unbeliever departing, yes that is inevitable because by implication the unbeliever is the one divorcing...but God can do amazing things in a BAD marriage with just ONE submitted person praying and loving..

    People give up far to easily even when they believe they have 'done their best'. When a believer is committed without excuse the other partner will either be convicted and turn or leave due to the pressure God puts on them....

    The movie THE WAR ROOM comes to mind...if more spouses committed to that kind of surrender and intercession far more marriages would be brought under Jesus' lordship...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    In the case of the unbeliever departing, yes that is inevitable because by implication the unbeliever is the one divorcing...but God can do amazing things in a BAD marriage with just ONE submitted person praying and loving..

    People give up far to easily even when they believe they have 'done their best'. When a believer is committed without excuse the other partner will either be convicted and turn or leave due to the pressure God puts on them....

    The movie THE WAR ROOM comes to mind...if more spouses committed to that kind of surrender and intercession far more marriages would be brought under Jesus' lordship...
    Good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    proverbs 21:9 It is better to live in a corner of a roof Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

    ------>>Grounds for divorce ???

    You be the Judge
    Something stated as a fact does not = grounds for divorce...Jesus' and Paul's words trump I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAP View Post
    I am Joshing .. Just highlighting the dangers of legalism ...The letter kills but the spirit brings life

    Quest believes that it is ok to divorce an unbelieving spouse who doesn't want to be married but it is NOT ok to divorce a "believing" spouse who doesn't want to be married as if the impact on the individual is any different.


    Correction #1..No I don't believe it is ok to divorce an unbelieving spouse..

    Correction # 2...Yes I do believe what the Bible states..

    1 Corinthians 7:14-16

    14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

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