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Its not about punishing the student, it is about not glorifying sin.
Exactly Susan!
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner..._content=maddi
While some have argued that Maddi should have to "suffer the consequences" of her actions, not everything is black and white. In this case, the school should be considering how their public shaming of a student might effect other students in the future. Had Maddi not gotten pregnant or instead, chosen abortion, no one would have been the wiser to her broken pledge. She'd have been allowed to walk in graduation, as are any other students in the class who have had sex before marriage that did not result in pregnancy. It is important for students to be held accountable but the school is walking on thin ice here, by showing students they will be publicly shamed for choosing life. Do we really want to provide incentive for teenagers to choose abortion? Like so many who find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy, Maddi is vulnerable and needs love, grace and support — and we, as pro-lifers, should want more women to feel they have that in these situations.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner..._content=maddi
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Advocating a change of the rules is different to objecting to the enforcing of existing rules.
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I know of a person (actually we were friends then, and still are) that got pregnant while at ORU (breaking one of the rules of the Honor Code)..I think the school got wind of it and de-enrolled her...her daughter is in college now and doing well, and her mom is in ministry.
I think the above article raises an important point tho--that punishing someone that obviously, visibly sinned doesn't really address root causes of sin. It makes her an "example" for others at the school, which I guess is appropriate, but..I dunno. I think we Christians at times get too bogged down with the "letter" and neglect the "spirit"..
Had Maddi not gotten pregnant or instead, chosen abortion, no one would have been the wiser to her broken pledge. She’d have been allowed to walk in graduation, as are any other students in the class who have had sex before marriage that did not result in pregnancy.
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Originally Posted by
FaithfulOne
I know of a person (actually we were friends then, and still are) that got pregnant while at ORU (breaking one of the rules of the Honor Code)..I think the school got wind of it and de-enrolled her...her daughter is in college now and doing well, and her mom is in ministry.
I think the above article raises an important point tho--that punishing someone that obviously, visibly sinned doesn't really address root causes of sin. It makes her an "example" for others at the school, which I guess is appropriate, but..I dunno. I think we Christians at times get too bogged down with the "letter" and neglect the "spirit"..
Had Maddi not gotten pregnant or instead, chosen abortion, no one would have been the wiser to her broken pledge. She’d have been allowed to walk in graduation, as are any other students in the class who have had sex before marriage that did not result in pregnancy.
I think the quote by them in blue is really a red herring. It's only considered 'public shaming' because her violation was a moral one, but still a violation. What if carrying a gun was against the rules, and she got caught and it became public? I don't think anyone would considerate it 'public shaming' that she didn't get to walk.
Also, the fact that if she'd gotten an abortion no one would have found out it totally irrelevant to the fact she DID violate a rule and was 'caught'.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what they did, but the argument against it doesn't really hold any logical water. The point is she broke a serious rule and paid the consequences.
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Since there is no mention about the male I assume he was from outside the school
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Originally Posted by
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner..._content=maddi
While some have argued that Maddi should have to “suffer the consequences” of her actions, not everything is black and white. In this case, the school should be considering how their public shaming of a student might effect other students in the future. Had Maddi not gotten pregnant or instead, chosen abortion, no one would have been the wiser to her broken pledge. She’d have been allowed to walk in graduation, as are any other students in the class who have had sex before marriage that did not result in pregnancy. It is important for students to be held accountable but the school is walking on thin ice here, by showing students they will be publicly shamed for choosing life. Do we really want to provide incentive for teenagers to choose abortion? Like so many who find themselves in an unplanned pregnancy, Maddi is vulnerable and needs love, grace and support — and we, as pro-lifers, should want more women to feel they have that in these situations.
“And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. **2 Thessalonians *3:14 *
“I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people. It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”1 Corinthians *5:11-13 *
So we should ignore what the Bible says and consider feelings? Young people shouldn't learn that there are consequences for sin? This is how society has sunk in moral decline because we want to placate feelings rather bring correction. Correct in love of course, but correct when the situation calls for it. Whether it's a teenager or a 70 year old. SMH
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Since there is no mention about the male I assume he was from outside the school
Good question. I'm going to assume he's not a student there because there would have been public outrage if he weren't punished or publicly "shamed" as well.
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Originally Posted by
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“And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. **2 Thessalonians *3:14 *
“I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people. It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”1 Corinthians *5:11-13 *
So we should ignore what the Bible says and consider feelings? Young people shouldn't learn that there are consequences for sin? This is how society has sunk in moral decline because we want to placate feelings rather bring correction. Correct in love of course, but correct when the situation calls for it. Whether it's a teenager or a 70 year old. SMH
Once again SCRIPTURE proves that some of the stuff people call "legalism" was advocated by one of history's most well-known "grace" teachers (Apostle Paul). Scripture trumps everything else.
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Originally Posted by
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Good question. I'm going to assume he's not a student there because there would have been public outrage if he weren't punished or publicly "shamed" as well.
This is actually an interesting point. Do men who impregnate the women also not get to walk? Or, just the person with the visible belly? While I have no problem at all with asking an unmarried, pregnant student to honor the rules, if this rule doesn't apply to the "father" as well then it's not about preserving honor and everything to do with "how things look," and I'm not cool with that.
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