Thread: Lies We Believe About God

Originally Posted by Colonel

In an other thread there was a facebook quote by his universalist friend who basically disclosed that he's really a universalist.

"who secretly introduce destructive heresies"

Right...his FRIEND says he is a liar....I chose to believe HIM....

Originally Posted by Cardinal TT

Quest

The quote FT showed is serious error and Young is revealing what he believes. What is his motive for his latest book and what are the "lies" the church believes about God

Jesus did not make every person "in Christ" .....that only happens by faith

Yeah, reading his original "hopeful universalism" into that quote is nothing more than wishful thinking. It seems very clear to me and I have the Calv/Arm background for that.

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

"Lies We Believe About God" is the new book out by the universalist and false teacher... Paul Young... author of the book "The Shack" where a growing number of those claiming to be Christians get their theology from instead of God's written Word.

Here's a quote from Chapter 13 of his new book where you can see his full on embrace of universalism claiming everybody has been or will be saved:



This is scripture twisting in the highest order... and doesn't is sound so good??? satan has a materpiece in this guy and it's amazing how so many claiming to be Christian are buying in to The Shack and into universalistm. Carlton Pearson would be proud!

You pulled that quote off of some site...John Burton did the same thing, same partial quote...I actually read the full context...After responding with the FULL context John still refused to acknowledge he was wrong...I am pretty sure ya'll won't either ....so....believe what you want...

That's the point, Quest. People believe what they want. People who liked his book and believe in biblical doctrine will have a tendency to read that into whatever he says. People who liked his book and don't care that much about that or don't know much will read it like it plainly says.

Same as when Trump quotes the Bible / says he has no need for forgiveness. Or is pro-choice / pro-life. Anyone who likes him in general will interpret it all as it suits them and then they all vote for him. Very clever populism.

Well in this case it seems like it's just the devil who is clever.

Originally Posted by Colonel

That's the point, Quest. People believe what they want. People who liked his book and believe in biblical doctrine will have a tendency to read that into whatever he says. People who liked his book and don't care that much about that or don't know much will read it like it plainly says.

Same as when Trump quotes the Bible / says he has no need for forgiveness. Or is pro-choice / pro-life. Anyone who likes him in general will interpret it all as it suits them and then they all vote for him. Very clever populism.

Well in this case it seems like it's just the devil who is clever.

That's the problem Colonel. I have no problem addressing what the guy actually says...I just get fed up with partial quotes and flawed interpretations....I have a problem with that...And when Christians who claim to be Berean do it...well that really bugs the fire out of me...

Good luck with this one.

Originally Posted by GodismyJudge

I don't see how context would change anything that he said.

Perhaps you could enlighten us.

God Himself is in no way a "hopeful universalist".

If Young believes that God has some other "way" of reconciliation that He has not revealed, he make Jesus out as a liar.

Maybe when I am not feeling tired and frustrated I will take the time to present the whole thing...just say that he still believes the ultimate decision is in our court...

Originally Posted by Quest

...just say that he still believes the ultimate decision is in our court...

He is very clever using words.....when he says the above he means God has already redeemed everyone and all are already "in Christ" and if every human would just accept it then the world would be different.


The Term "hopeful universalist" is unscriptural - there is no such thing. God is 'willing that none perish' is not hopeful universalist - God knows many will reject


The error is similar to others who bit by bit over time start to reveal what is going on in their heart like Rob Bell.
At first it doesn't seem too different because they only say ambiguous things but eventually what is in their heart comes out.

Cardial, Nikos and FT....you entered the topic with a made up mind...

Yes, we decided that God is true and every man a liar unless they are saying what God says which is obviiously not the point with the shaker guy

he does not believe everyone will be saved...

In chapter 13 of his new book he clearly states that he in fact does actually believe all will be saved whether they accept Jesus as Lord and walk with Him or not.

You've been deceived by this guy. The word "idol" comes to mind when one puts what man says before what God says.

He is a 'hopeful universalist'.

That describes someone who has been deceived and who knows not God's Word.

I do disagree with him on his perspective of Hell though...

He has that perspective because he has been deceived and does not know God's Word.

Jesus did not make every person "in Christ" .....that only happens by faith

Thank you!

You pulled that quote off of some site...

Go read chapter 13 of his new book...

I don't own a copy of adolf hitler's book, but I can easily find actual text from his book... and no, I don't need to read it to tell it's false.

That's like a satanist claiming someone doesn't understand the satanic bible because they never read it... those that play with fire do get burned.