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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Are you saying that the two were as intimate as the Holy Spirit is with a believer and yet they were not gay ? Or is that just a poor comparison ?

    Believers can find all sorts of things to be offended with...a christian struggling with homosexaulity needs support and I doubt he cares if the Holy Spirit is male

    God is Father.....people have far greater offense at that especially feminists

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    I'm not disputing the fact that the Father and the Son are masculine. Neither one dwells with us and when the Holy Spirit reveals them they don't manifest on, around or inside of us. At that level, their gender is not an issue.

    I included men with gay tendencies just to cover the possibilities. This is really about the Holy Spirit becoming associated with gender relations that are natural when they involve other human beings. A woman finds it natural to have intimacy with a man whom she has married. Whether she is married or not, the notion that the Holy Spirit which she has a form of intimacy with, is supposed to be masculine, may be disturbing or even tempting to her flesh. This works the same way if people are told that the HS is feminine or even both genders.

    This may not be a problem to most people if the presence of the Holy Spirit seems barely discernable at most times except when gathering in public in a church. What happens if his presence becomes overwhelming including when the person is elsewhere ? What relation will the person develop to this allegedly male or even female or bigendered entity ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Because the NT reveals more of who the Godhead are in their being not just what they do

    I understand the NT brings rophetic words into clarity..but without knowing why this drastic change was made I don't accept that as THE answer..this was not an unclear prophetic word...
    The Holy Spirit is 100% masculine as he is the Spirit of the Father...its no rocket science


    Believers can end up in serious error by trying to find every nuance of word to justify their own reasonings

    This will offend but it is what it is.....the Holy Spirit has revealed himself to some people as a person - it's very rare but it has happened
    One such person SAW the face of the Holy Spirit and it was a male face......he is a credible witness

    You can find beleivers who have had face to face encounters with the Godhead who will testify of God's masculinity

    There are no credible witnesses who have had face to face encounters with God and testify he is feminine - you can find some but they are deceived and in major error
    We are not talking about God...we are talking about the Hoy Spirit and the fact that almost all mentions of Holy Spirit in OT were feminine noun...and asking why that changed n the NT....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    I will raise an IRONIC point

    What currently is the 'spirit' behind alot of contention and confusion and causing major concerns in western society?
    The spirit being gender confusion - we need to think about this

    This spirit is trying to infiltrate every area of society including the church

    Christians now question God's gender and want to make him neutral or even feminine - isn't this the same spirit currently causing problems????


    I will say it clearly - it's a major demonic spirit who is twisting and deceiving society to embrace gender lies and it has reached the highest political positions
    This same spirit will do everything to also attack God's gender and try to deceive the church under many guises
    I understand the issues you describe but I do not allow outside issues to influence my search for absolute truth...I recall this argument being used in regards to drinking wine...well we need to say it is a sin to protect the alcoholics....no...so we don't need to interpret scripture to preserve a traditional thinking...

    To just say the NT is translated right and dismiss the question of the OT is not something I am willing to do...I want clarity when questions arise even if those questions lead me to answers that challenge me in uncomfortable ways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    What happens when male believers who struggle with homosexuality or female believers in general are told that the Holy Spirit who dwells in them and is upon them is a male ?
    See...we find it hard to not revert to GENDER...we are not talking GENDER...we are talking masculine voice and feminine voice...in order to move to hat makes that voice different in scripture pertaining to the Holy Spirit....

    We have to acknowledge that MALE is human gender and has nothing to do with it...so sexual or gender confusion has nothing to do with it either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Believers can find all sorts of things to be offended with...a christian struggling with homosexaulity needs support and I doubt he cares if the Holy Spirit is male

    God is Father.....people have far greater offense at that especially feminists
    That has not been questioned at all....He is referred to as He from Genesis to Revelation but again He is not a human male...He is a masculine voice in language....

    THAT is the discussion...

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    Noone is going to start believing that the Holy Spirit has genitalia but thinking of him as the opposite gender at all may produce a temptation when his presence is tangible.

    The NT noun translated spirit is neutral and it uses the neutral form of the word holy when referring to him. His title of helper, parakletos, is masculine.

    Maybe he can have a masculine voice when revealing the Father or the Son but his presence as such is not a gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm not disputing the fact that the Father and the Son are masculine. Neither one dwells with us and when the Holy Spirit reveals them they don't manifest on, around or inside of us. At that level, their gender is not an issue.

    I included men with gay tendencies just to cover the possibilities. This is really about the Holy Spirit becoming associated with gender relations that are natural when they involve other human beings. A woman finds it natural to have intimacy with a man whom she has married. Whether she is married or not, the notion that the Holy Spirit which she has a form of intimacy with, is supposed to be masculine, may be disturbing or even tempting to her flesh. This works the same way if people are told that the HS is feminine or even both genders.

    This may not be a problem to most people if the presence of the Holy Spirit seems barely discernable at most times except when gathering in public in a church. What happens if his presence becomes overwhelming including when the person is elsewhere ? What relation will the person develop to this allegedly male or even female or bigendered entity ?
    To answer that we must answer what constitutes the voice. It seems really hard to separate Gender and sexuality from the concept of masculine and feminine voice in language....but to get the answer we have to...

    Elohim..THEY were always intimate with each other in a way that we need revelation of...yes human intimacy is similar..one could say a natural parallel...but when we try to interpret THEIR relationship from that we are reading and distorting THEM by trying to interpret from fallen sinful humanity...

    We have to put that aside or it will stir fear and even force a flawed interpretation...God has no confusion or fear or evil within the Trinity relationship...and I want an intimate revelation of THAT relationship...

    I believe there is a far deeper revelation of Elohim if we are able to put aside the carnal and seek the Holy Spirit revelation of their relationship and what attributes constitute the feminine voice the Hebrews perceived....And even why that voice changed in the NT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Noone is going to start believing that the Holy Spirit has genitalia but thinking of him as the opposite gender at all may produce a temptation when his presence is tangible.

    That would be true regardless of what 'gender' one attributes...For me, people's sinful misconceptions are irrelevant to me..I want revelation of absolute truth...
    The NT noun translated spirit is neutral and it uses the neutral form of the word holy when referring to him. His title of helper, parakletos, is masculine.

    Maybe he can have a masculine voice when revealing the Father or the Son but his presence as such is not a gender.
    Going in circles....GENDER is not the topic....LANGUAGE is...What is the LANGUAGE/VOICE revealing...

    What was the Hebrew LANGUAGE revealing and why did the LANGUAGE change in the NT

    We already passé the point of the Personhood in the OT.....

    I am wondering if the difference is, and you may have touched on this, Authority...but not as in 'I am boss' but rather supremacy within?

    But can that be when Holy Spirit descending on Jesus before even infilling Him, the voice even there was changed...and that would have been the SAME Spirit in personality and purpose as in the OT...

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    The relation of the godhead is revealed as father and son. Nothing to do with gender relations. The Holy Spirit has a closer relation to his spiritual beings, making them parttakers in a divine nature.

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