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    The Shack Movie

    Multitudes of Christians are turning to this error


    Former colleague of The Shack author exposes move heresy

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/latest-ch...-so-christian/

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    oh goody.. more disinformation

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    Never read the book.

    Either this is true or it isn't. He does have credentials for assessing this it seems.

    Leading the effort to expose “The Shack” is James De Young, a New Testament language and literature professor at Western Seminary in Portland, Oregon, who holds multiple degrees from respected seminaries, including Dallas Seminary, Talbot Theological Seminary and Moody Bible Institute.

    De Young is a former longtime colleague of “The Shack” author Paul Young who challenges the mega-bestseller in his blockbuster exposé, “Burning Down The Shack.”

    De Young asserts “The Shack” promotes a heretical idea of “universal reconciliation,” the concept that all people will be saved.

    “The danger from all of this is to distort the gospel, to give people a false hope of being able to change their destiny after death and to distort the meaning of Christ’s death,” he told WND.

    “Indeed, the need for Christ to die a sacrificial death for people’s sins is dissipated and eventually erased. But the greatest danger is that universal reconciliation redefines who God is by insisting that the attribute of God’s love trumps his other attributes of justice, holiness and righteousness. Love limits his other attributes. In so doing, some attributes are not fully expressed or perfect. In this way God ceases to be God. Instead we have a man-created, man-centered god.”


    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/latest-ch...q4qVI9U2Umb.99

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    I did read the book, and nothing in it suggested (to me) that it's promoting universalism. (eta--it's been a few years since I read it, and I only read it once)

    I remember getting into a big thing with Jared (from the other forum) about it.

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    Is this message in the book or is it taken out of context


    Besides its universalism, De Young also condemns “The Shack” for having God say, “I don’t create institutions.” Marriage, the church and the government are described as the “man-created trinity of terrors that ravages the earth”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Is this message in the book or is it taken out of context
    I am rereading the book now...will let you know...

    I do recall the institutions but in the context of 'religious organizations'..and I actually agree with that... And it bothers me that the rest of that accusation has no quotes..

    That has been the issue from it's release..a lot of accusations that do not contain substance...and when they do they were taken out of context as I recall...

    The most offensive thing in the book is the black woman God character...my guess is most critics just springboard from there...:) But since this is my second reading I will attempt to be 'critical' as in objective...

    PS...the book is written in the parable concept...not intended to be literal any more than Jesus parables were....and fro what I read about Young they are a depiction of his spiritual journey over years...but depicted as a weekend event...now that I know this I can hopefully be more objective..

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    The key is finding out what the author really believes...anyone know

    If he is a universalist liberal 'christian' then that is the false spirit behind the book

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    “Indeed, the need for Christ to die a sacrificial death for people’s sins is dissipated and eventually erased. But the greatest danger is that universal reconciliation redefines who God is by insisting that the attribute of God’s love trumps his other attributes of justice, holiness and righteousness. Love limits his other attributes. In so doing, some attributes are not fully expressed or perfect. In this way God ceases to be God. Instead we have a man-created, man-centered god.”
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    I have never read the book and not sure if I will anytime soon (or ever). hence I could not speak to it or its author. Universalism and ultimate reconciliation are definitely anti-biblical and false if that is what is being promoted (though I would not know.

    That being said, I strongly disagree with James De Young's statement as quoted above. God is primarily love (1 John 4) and every other attribute stems from His love therefore love does trump everything else. God does not stop becoming loving when He has to be just, holy, or righteous. He does not turn off His love in order to turn on His holiness. God is just, holy and righteous because He is first love.

    Eternal damnation is indeed a result of His justice but also His love. God satisfied the need for justice by His love when He died for every sinner. Through the redemptive work of Christ we now have the opportunity to know and love God despite our past sinful rebellion. God continues to plead with men to be reconciled to Him. This is love that is not absent of justice, righteousness or holiness. Justice has been satisfied through love.

    Yet, God's love will NOT force people to love Him. If people want to be without God for eternity and live independent of Him then in His love He allows them to have what they want - eternal separation. At the same time, eternal damnation of those who hate God protect eternally those who love Him. Imagine having satan, demons, and people who hate God in Heaven. Would it still be heaven? In the end, God's love gives everyone what they want. This is love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    God is primarily love (1 John 4) and every other attribute stems from His love therefore love does trump everything else. God does not stop becoming loving when He has to be just, holy, or righteous. He does not turn off His love in order to turn on His holiness. God is just, holy and righteous because He is first love.
    Exactly. God is love, that makes all of his attributes a modification of love, or a facet of it. You're hear people say, "God is a God of love, but he is also a God of judgement, as if they are opposed to one another. Not so. His justice, judgment, etc, is not in contrast to His love, but a modification/facet of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    I have never read the book and not sure if I will anytime soon (or ever). hence I could not speak to it or its author. Universalism and ultimate reconciliation are definitely anti-biblical and false if that is what is being promoted (though I would not know.

    That being said, I strongly disagree with James De Young's statement as quoted above. God is primarily love (1 John 4) and every other attribute stems from His love therefore love does trump everything else. God does not stop becoming loving when He has to be just, holy, or righteous. He does not turn off His love in order to turn on His holiness. God is just, holy and righteous because He is first love.

    Eternal damnation is indeed a result of His justice but also His love. God satisfied the need for justice by His love when He died for every sinner. Through the redemptive work of Christ we now have the opportunity to know and love God despite our past sinful rebellion. God continues to plead with men to be reconciled to Him. This is love that is not absent of justice, righteousness or holiness. Justice has been satisfied through love.

    Yet, God's love will NOT force people to love Him. If people want to be without God for eternity and live independent of Him then in His love He allows them to have what they want - eternal separation. At the same time, eternal damnation of those who hate God protect eternally those who love Him. Imagine having satan, demons, and people who hate God in Heaven. Would it still be heaven? In the end, God's love gives everyone what they want. This is love.
    Maybe I missed it but this is the critics words and there is no substantiating the claim from the actual book itself....this article is promoting the sale of De Young's book Burning Down The Shack...

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