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    The evolution of gay

    Back in the 70s and 80s gay activists and spokesmen didn't care that much about fronting a gay identity, they were as likely to claim that they had gay lovers or gay sex by choice and that that was their right. From the nineties gay identity became more of the focus for gay activism. Now that a gay identity has become mainstream the whole thing seems to be going full circle. Lots of youths don't really care what their identity is, they just do whatever they feel like. And what they "feel like" is quite capable of changing with their behaviour until they go from heterosexual and experimenting to being largely gay. Or just totally bisexual.

    I saw a video by the artist Will.i.am today (Will declaring that he is god, I presume), featuring a totally sexualized female singer (though her looks aren't that extreme, technically). The lyrics go like this :

    The girls wanna play with boys
    And the boys wanna play with girls
    And the girls wanna play with girls
    Boys wanna play with boys
    So boy don't you love this world?

    Which suggests that everything should be bisexual and why don't you who are listening to this start loving this world of bi ?

    That's full circle back to the 70s and "gay freedom", just now it is "bi for everyone" and "get with the program"

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    In the 70s I remember a Christian author claiming that ultimately the gays will want the right to marry. I laughed at the notion...and now look where we are. And I never would have dreamed that homosexuality would be such a major issue. Nowadays it almost seems like to become a Christian you have to be willing to be considered "anti-gay" by the world. Not many are willing to do that.

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    I'm just wondering how long it will take before bi or mostly gay or mostly hetero will be the norm. Kind of like "at least slightly bi". The 15 year olds targeted by the video and lyrics will be defining society 20-40 years from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm just wondering how long it will take before bi or mostly gay or mostly hetero will be the norm. Kind of like "at least slightly bi". The 15 year olds targeted by the video and lyrics will be defining society 20-40 years from now.
    That's the scary part. If the church doesn't get off her butt and go to the streets and start reaching young and old with the love of God.

    The Mrs. and I watched FATHER OF LIGHTS the other night, and they went with a street evangelist to Venice Beach, CA to film him ministering in the power of the Holy Spirit. They hit a wall and wondered what was going on. It only took them a few minutes to find a bunch of believers with good intentions walking around with signs and calling for repentance. When they talked to one of them, he said he had been doing this for 20 years. They asked how many conversions he had witnessed and I think he said "One".

    Hitting them over the head with the Word of God instead of introducing them to the Spirit of God only seems to harden them and also make it harder on anyone else in the area who is trying to reach the lost with the love and power of God.

    I would say these seemed to be the virgins who had no oil for their lamps. You need the oil of the Spirit in order for your "Light" to shine the way God intended it to.
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    I remember a discussion on the great commission from this forum about 10 years ago. It mostly involved a couple of posters that are no longer here. They would have told you that it's never wrong to preach the gospel at people and that your story cannot be true. They obviously thought that being adamant about that was the politically correct thing to do. Kind of like "the gospel is not preached enough, therefore always attack any criticism of the gospel being preached". Which is sometimes what forums turn into, lobbying arenas devoid of real dialogue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I remember a discussion on the great commission from this forum about 10 years ago. It mostly involved a couple of posters that are no longer here. They would have told you that it's never wrong to preach the gospel at people and that your story cannot be true. They obviously thought that being adamant about that was the politically correct thing to do. Kind of like "the gospel is not preached enough, therefore always attack any criticism of the gospel being preached". Which is sometimes what forums turn into, lobbying arenas devoid of real dialogue.
    I was probably one of them. I was really pushing the teachings of Way of the Master back then. I still use it when presenting the gospel, but have learned that showing the sinner the love of God first makes a greater impact and actually opens the door for the gospel message of "Repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins".

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    With people who have literally never heard the gospel before, the situation is somewhat different. People here in the West are sometimes more concerned with which one of the many different versions they have heard actually relates the truth, if any. People sometimes baffle me with their self catering ability once they are convinced. Some have been sent my way after a recent, more thorough exposition elsewhere but it's not always like that. Many people don't "get it" but still have the ability to get it if they suddenly feel like doing so. "okay, get born again, filled with the spirit, repent, receive tongues" is sometimes not that far away as a possible course of action.

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    Of course the tendency today is to weaken the gospel message and make it more seeker sensitive. Let's make it more attractive and maybe that will work.

    The reason the gospel is not working is because it is preached from a stone cold heart and not from one who is drenched in the power of the Holy Ghost. If the church would get closer to God and be willing to dump the world and be led of the Spirit, there would be results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I'm just wondering how long it will take before bi or mostly gay or mostly hetero will be the norm. Kind of like "at least slightly bi". The 15 year olds targeted by the video and lyrics will be defining society 20-40 years from now.
    It already is in a lot of young peoples minds....I would be willing to bet if a survey of high school students was done a majority of them would say at least homosexuality is normal for some, or AT least they were born that way therefore should be accepted as normal for them..
    ...and a portion of them would say gender neutral is a good thing...

    Thus the culture is doing a real good job of removing God's laws from the minds of the youth...the divide is getting really wide and there is very little gray area anymore...IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos View Post
    Of course the tendency today is to weaken the gospel message and make it more seeker sensitive. Let's make it more attractive and maybe that will work.

    The reason the gospel is not working is because it is preached from a stone cold heart and not from one who is drenched in the power of the Holy Ghost. If the church would get closer to God and be willing to dump the world and be led of the Spirit, there would be results.
    There are many approaches.

    "Do something then you will grow in power and results"

    "Grow in power then do something and you will get results"

    "Do something then get lead while doing it"

    "Get lead about what to do then do it"

    It all seems contradictory but there is a point to all of it. The Bible talks about pursuing sanctification but also about getting sanctified by serving God. It talks about simply spreading the message but also about being lead about where and when and how.

    Reducing all the above to religious activities and duties is quite possible. Which basically means that one is doing none of it. There are good examples of placing emphasis on each one of the approaches but the best way is to bring it all together to a seemless whole.

    "apart from me you can do nothing" remains a common denominator.

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