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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Wow! You thought I was accusing you???


    I was simply pointing out what many that embrace extreme grace teach and imply.

    If I were talking about you, I would have said so...
    You were obviously referring to my post because you clearly reposted the "repent" part of it and then took issue with it (no surprise there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I hope we see the huge mission field in this. The suicide rate among transgenders is sky high. Of course, they often blame it on Christians not accepting their transgenderism. I have friends who at one point identified as transgenders and started the process to change. Thankfully, they never made it to the surgery stage before God stopped them. One young man, about 30, raised in a STRONG Christian family is still in the process of becoming a woman. It's extremely heartbreaking. I hate to sound like a broken record, but we in the church need to be actively ministering to these people. And shouting "repent!" is not ministry.
    I don't now one personally but if I did I certainly would love them and try to minister truth to them...along with bathing them in prayer...

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    I don't now one personally but if I did I certainly would love them and try to minister truth to them...along with bathing them in prayer...
    That's going to be hard to do once the Lord turns them over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1)... after that, it normally takes something drastic like almost dying, or financial ruin or something in life that hurts them badly.

    .... the first chapter of Romans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I hope we see the huge mission field in this. The suicide rate among transgenders is sky high. Of course, they often blame it on Christians not accepting their transgenderism. I have friends who at one point identified as transgenders and started the process to change. Thankfully, they never made it to the surgery stage before God stopped them. One young man, about 30, raised in a STRONG Christian family is still in the process of becoming a woman. It's extremely heartbreaking. I hate to sound like a broken record, but we in the church need to be actively ministering to these people. And shouting "repent!" is not ministry.
    I see a lot of it and seeing more and more confusion in the world period. I don't treat them any differently then I do anyone else. They're just broken people who were birthed into a broken and confused generation. We have to love people where they're at period.

    I know it repulses most Christians, but we're going to have to suck it up and deal with spiritually because it has invaded the nation. If God sends an awakening revival, they'll be coming to a church near you.

    On the other hand Bookman, not everyone is equipped to reach them. If I'm wrong please explain why. I just have no way of relating to them or their problems. I wouldn't really know what to say or what advice to give

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    On the other hand Bookman, not everyone is equipped to reach them. If I'm wrong please explain why. I just have no way of relating to them or their problems. I wouldn't really know what to say or what advice to give
    I understand that. If given the opportunity, just share your own testimony. My beef is that almost all churches are ignorant of the need for this kind of ministry. They don't think they have anyone at their church who is tempted in this regard thus they don't speak about it (except to condemn the sinners), they don't pray about it, they don't financially support ministries that do reach these people, and they don't learn the basic things needed to share with a transgender person. Ask your pastor what he would specifically do if a transgender person asked for his help. How would he counsel them? If they've had surgery would he insist they reverse the surgery? As you say, we're seeing more and more of this and churches are woefully under prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    Wow! You thought I was accusing you???


    I was simply pointing out what many that embrace extreme grace teach and imply.

    If I were talking about you, I would have said so...
    Perversion is now normal-grace-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I understand that. If given the opportunity, just share your own testimony. My beef is that almost all churches are ignorant of the need for this kind of ministry. They don't think they have anyone at their church who is tempted in this regard thus they don't speak about it (except to condemn the sinners), they don't pray about it, they don't financially support ministries that do reach these people, and they don't learn the basic things needed to share with a transgender person. Ask your pastor what he would specifically do if a transgender person asked for his help. How would he counsel them? If they've had surgery would he insist they reverse the surgery? As you say, we're seeing more and more of this and churches are woefully under prepared.
    You're saying that every church should have a special ministry to transgenders?

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    You're saying that every church should have a special ministry to transgenders?
    Perhaps every LARGE church should have a ministry to LBGT folks. Smaller churches need to know the basics and which local ministry (if there is one) exists for these people. And in our day and age with the huge need in this area, most churches should financially support these ministries. Most such ministries are operating on a shoestring or closing their doors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    Perhaps every LARGE church should have a ministry to LBGT folks. Smaller churches need to know the basics and which local ministry (if there is one) exists for these people. And in our day and age with the huge need in this area, most churches should financially support these ministries. Most such ministries are operating on a shoestring or closing their doors.
    I wonder if the large ones believe in the power of God to deliver...

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    I wonder if the large ones believe in the power of God to deliver...
    Most churches that minister to the lgbt network have traded in belief of God delivering these folks out of sin over to accepting them as long as they are in a committed relationship with other perverts as to not be promiscuous

    mr osteen's church accepts 'gay christians' that live openly in their perversion who believing their perverted sexuality is a blessing from God!

    Well, that all depends on who they are calling god

    More and more churches are accepting perverted sexual practices as being OK with God...

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