Thread: What about Temptation???

No, all scripture...

God's written Word comes before what people "think" the Holy Spirit is saying cause... the devil also brings thoughts to people's minds and if people aren't smart enough to judge thoughts and what preachers teach against what the written Word says, deception is the result.

Especially in these last days...

It may be very, very hard to admit. But it really isn't working.

Praying for your pastor, FT.

Farm Truck there's a few things you need to learn.

And the first is one you shouldn't learn from me, but maybe from Quest or Femme*; it's how to treat people.

The Bible says "Do to others as you would have them do to you" (Luke 6:31 NIV) and if you disrespect people as you do in your opening statement, by your multiple repeated statement on "sowing and reaping" you've got to be sure you're going to reap a heap of disrespect. Barns full to be Biblical.

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

For those of you that follow the extra biblical teachings of that calvin guy (is that like a lost book of calvin er something that some claim should be in the Bible?)...

(Omitting God from the list) disrespect here starts with Paul who penned the Scriptures that Augustine and the members of various church councils used to justify the doctrines named after John Calvin.

It's disrespectful to John Calvin himself who was preeminent in the emergence of Protestantism that stood (I intentionally wrote stood not stands) against the errors of Catholicism.

It's disrespectful too to the billions of Christians who've been saved under the preaching of the Gospel by Calvinists.

And it's disrespectful to the one or two people here who accept the doctrine of the Sovereignty of God as in "the biblical teaching that all things are under God's rule and control, and that nothing happens without His direction or permission".

1John 4:20 "For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen"

Originally Posted by Farm Truck

What do you do about temptation?

If God is in control and you give in to temptation of some sort, do you consider this to be God's fault er something???

You also need to learn what people have believed for hundreds of years and you wouldn't need to ask such questions. In the Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) it clearly says in Chapter III Line I "I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;[1] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[2] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[3]" and if you follow the numbered links it will show you the scriptures used to validate the previous statement.

And finally there is a letter "o" in the top right letters on the keyboard. This, rather than the letter "e" (which is on the top left), is the first letter in the word "or".

John Calvin wasn't preeminent in the emergence of Protestantism. Martin Luther was. Attributing the salvation of all non-Catholic non-Orthodox believers to either man is taking things to ridiculous extremes. Could as well attribute your salvation to William Seymour since he was the leader when the Azusa street revival began. His doctrine was hugely different to that of Calvin and probably as erronous (think maintaining salvation by sinlessness). There were also others before and after him that made as much or more of a difference.

Originally Posted by Colonel

John Calvin wasn't preeminent in the emergence of Protestantism. Martin Luther was.

Somewhere in the interweb it says he was, now somewhere it says he wasn't. Oh well!. But he WAS there in the early days. Martin Luther's line stays in Lutherism which hasn't changed much and is closer to the RC in some of it's beliefs than most of us are comfortable with. Out of the Calvin and what he did came a lot that we can be thankful for today.

Originally Posted by Colonel

Attributing the salvation of all non-Catholic non-Orthodox believers to either man is taking things to ridiculous extremes. Could as well attribute your salvation to William Seymour since he was the leader when the Azusa street revival began. His doctrine was hugely different to that of Calvin and probably as erronous (think maintaining salvation by sinlessness). There were also others before and after him that made as much or more of a difference.

I don't see where I attribute "the salvation of ALL non-Catholic non-Orthodox believers to either man".

But lots have been saved under Calvinist Revivals, "Whether it is Bunyan or Spurgeon, Carey or Nettleton or Whitefield or Duff or Stott that you are talking about 'the Baptist tradition, the Congregational tradition, the Anglican tradition, the Presbyterian tradition and so on', find the hall of fame evangelists and missionaries and you'll find folks who live, breathe, teach and preach the doctrines of grace" (ref)

Originally Posted by FunFromOz

Somewhere in the interweb it says he was, now somewhere it says he wasn't. Oh well!. But he WAS there in the early days. Martin Luther's line stays in Lutherism which hasn't changed much and is closer to the RC in some of it's beliefs than most of us are comfortable with. Out of the Calvin and what he did came a lot that we can be thankful for today.

@@@The same could be said about Calvin and so on.

I don't see where I attribute "the salvation of ALL non-Catholic non-Orthodox believers to either man".

But lots have been saved under Calvinist Revivals, "Whether it is Bunyan or Spurgeon, Carey or Nettleton or Whitefield or Duff or Stott that you are talking about 'the Baptist tradition, the Congregational tradition, the Anglican tradition, the Presbyterian tradition and so on', find the hall of fame evangelists and missionaries and you'll find folks who live, breathe, teach and preach the doctrines of grace" (ref)

@@@This is what you said above :

It's disrespectful too to the billions of Christians who've been saved under the preaching of the Gospel by Calvinists.

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Originally Posted by Colonel

Somewhere in the interweb it says he was, now somewhere it says he wasn't. Oh well!. But he WAS there in the early days. Martin Luther's line stays in Lutherism which hasn't changed much and is closer to the RC in some of it's beliefs than most of us are comfortable with. Out of the Calvin and what he did came a lot that we can be thankful for today.

@@@The same could be said about Calvin and so on.

I think parts the current church are a lot closer to RC than it thinks, probably due to an ignorance of its roots and of RCism.

Originally Posted by Colonel

@@@This is what you said above :


It's disrespectful too to the billions of Christians who've been saved under the preaching of the Gospel by Calvinists.

Yes I did say that, but that's not ALL who were saved as it doesn't include those saved under the preaching of non-Calvinists which included myself.

Most of the Calvinists I have talked to online would have objected to some of the things you posted in the last few posts. Some of them were very aware of their theology being marginalized among Protestants worldwide today, including among mainline Protestants. They talked about being "a tithe" and things like that. I can only imagine what they would have thought about the idea that Calvinists have gotten billions of people saved.

I think parts the current church are a lot closer to RC than it thinks, probably due to an ignorance of its roots and of RCism.

There you go again... advocating for catholicism

Why don't we stick with God's written Word and avoid the satanic deception?

I know, I know... that's asking too much of a growing number of folks. That's not going to end well for them.