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    Hey bro, that is the same exact argument that we use to dispel the false teaching of anti-tithing to NT believers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    That verse is referring back to Melchizedek, not Jesus. Read the Amplified version.
    No, actually it's speaking of the One who lives... Jesus

    Hebrews 7:8
    Here men that die receive tithes; but there He (Jesus) receives them, of whom it is witnessed that He lives
    (referring to Jesus, the risen Lord of Glory receiving our tithe, the first fruits! - Matt 6:21, Luke 12:34, Proverbs 3:9,10).

    Surely you don't think Melchizedek is in Heaven (there) receiving tithes... or "of whom it is witnessed that He lives" is speaking of Melchizedek.

    If you read a little further down you'll find:

    Hebrews 7:15-17
    And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
    Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
    For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.


    This is clearly speaking of the high priestly ministry of Jesus being in the likeness of Melchizedek

    The Lord is not upset with someone who wants to pay 10% of their gross income (first fruits) to support the ministry of the Gospel of Jesus Christ going forth... I know some believe that, but that's usually an excuse to not give much.

    And, if some have a hard time accepting the tithe... let's not even get started on offerings which is over and above tithing

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    Something that some of you miss when it comes to certain Old Testament laws is the fact that these were not as much legalistic ideas that God slapped on the people as much as they were meant to promote physical health. The BODY needs rest from labor and that is why it was commanded to rest on the seventh day. God is as much concerned about the PHYSICAL as He is the SPIRITUAL.

    It is like the fact that God told them that the land was to rest every seven years. The earth is a mess today and good crops are hard to produce apart from bio-engineering because we do not follow some of these things.
    That is true.

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    So the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath...as is tithing, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    So the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath...as is tithing, so to speak.
    And marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    No, actually it's speaking of the One who lives... Jesus

    Hebrews 7:8
    Here men that die receive tithes; but there He (Jesus) receives them, of whom it is witnessed that He lives
    (referring to Jesus, the risen Lord of Glory receiving our tithe, the first fruits! - Matt 6:21, Luke 12:34, Proverbs 3:9,10).

    Surely you don't think Melchizedek is in Heaven (there) receiving tithes... or "of whom it is witnessed that He lives" is speaking of Melchizedek.
    The Amplified translators understand the verse in it's context:

    Hebrews 7:8 AMP
    8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; but in that case [concerning Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he [b]lives on [perpetually].

    And it's not a discourse on tithing at all. It's about Jesus priesthood being greater than Melchizedek's, and tithing is incidental to what he is saying to show the relationship, not the POINT of what he is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
    The verse is overall pointing to the fact that JESUS is now our high priest in the same manner as Melchizedek. I know you anti-tithers who are looking for as much evidence as possible to make it appaer as if the New Testament rejects tithing and so ya'll like to avoid this truth. But the fact is a careful reading allows for a case to be made that we pay tithes to Jesus our High Priest today.
    It really doesn't say that at all. As I said above:

    And it's not a discourse on tithing at all. It's about Jesus priesthood being greater than Melchizedek's, and tithing is incidental to what he is saying to show the relationship, not the POINT of what he is talking about.

    And I'm not anti-tithing. Anybody can tithe all they want. I just reject the way it is taught for NT Christians by many people today, including WoF circles, as if everything in the whole NT is connected to it and nothing works for you in the NT if you don't. I've heard it said with my own ears that you can't get healed if you don't tithe, can't be blessed, etc, etc, etc. That every blessing of the NT is connected to tithing. That is a LIE. That's how far this doctrine has gotten off.

    There is no special blessing connected to tithing in the NT. The windows of heaven were opened for us by Jesus. My giving has no bearing on it. And there is no curse attached to not doing it. We have been redeemed from curses (the curse of the law). And many other points I won't get into as we've hashed them all before. We're children of the most high by BIRTH (unlike the OT people) and it ALL belongs to us by birth, and can be received by faith. The fowls of the air neither so or reap (or tithe) yet their heavenly Father take care of them. How much more does our heavenly Father take care of His children.

    The NT is about generosity, not law concerning a specific about to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    The Amplified translators understand the verse in it's context
    That is the translators opinion... they did not want to tithe, so they created a translation that discourages tithing.


    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    It really doesn't say that at all
    That's an opinion that can only be arrived at by claiming certain scriptures does not mean what it actually means.

    In the end, you will see that it is Jesus' desire for us to tithe... which is what we are giving, and then there is "tithing the tithe" which nobody really teaches anymore because it involves saying things before the Lord in agreement with His instructions.

    There is massive, massive blessing in tithing and tithing the tithe which basically comes down to putting God first and foremost and worshiping Him as our Provider which goes far beyond money and includes benefits that all the material wealth in this world couldn't even began to buy.

    One thing about this is irrefutable... we gonna find out one day exactly what Jesus's position is on this (He already told us in His Word, but some need additional info since not everyone believes the entire Word of the Living God.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    That is the translators opinion... they did not want to tithe, so they created a translation that discourages tithing.
    You're funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    You're funny.
    All Bible translations contain a few errors... you don't claim the Amplified is absolutely perfect, do you?

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