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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I could start a campaign where I prove that he's either advocating that God is the author of sin or that we should thank Satan that we exist but I don't really feel like it.
    Not at all, just saying that because our genetic makeup (or who we are) is the direct result of our ancestors if our ancestors didn't exist we couldn't exist.

    If Adam and Eve didn't sin they may not have had Cain and Abel. Even if they did Abel's genes would have been passed down so from that point on a different set of people would have existed. Also we'd continually have second generation children of Adam and Eve added to the mix making the gene pool different again. And we wouldn't all be descendants of Noah.

    If Adam and Eve didn't sin it's mathematically impossible for the population of the world today to include the 8B people we have today, i.e. you and I. We would not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Galatians 2:20 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

    What's that got to do with the sentence "God is the one who gives souls."
    The soul lives in a body. It will get a new body after that body dies physically. My being and identity is in my spirit and soul, not in my body.

    This is like non-Cessationist Christianity 101.

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    Yes, being thankful for sin... is problematic to say the least.

    It's so stupid that, someone should insult you over this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    The soul lives in a body. It will get a new body after that body dies physically. My being and identity is in my spirit and soul, not in my body.

    This is like non-Cessationist Christianity 101.
    Full quote as you seem to not understand my question "God is the one who gives souls. If they hadn't sinned then I would eventually have been born into a sinless world and everything would have been allright." (emphasis mine)

    How can you have been born if your parents didn't exist?

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    We all would have been born in to a sinless world... including our parents.

    Your conjecture has zero basis in scripture... the Bible contains nothing about this so you dreaming, or hallucinating would be a better term for it sine this is not even based in anything close to reality.

    So, what swami wrote about this? What's the source of this theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Truck View Post
    We all would have been born in to a sinless world... including our parents.
    Don't you understand basic biology?

    I'll try say this simply.

    Joseph the husband of Mary would never have existed in a sinless world and the Bible proves it.

    Read Matt 1 backwards. Follow Joseph's ancesteral line backwards and you'll come to Perez in verse 3.

    Perez was the result of a one off adultery between her and her father-in-law Judah but this only occurred because her first two husbands (Judah's sons) Er and Onan had died.

    In a sinless world Er would not have been "evil in the sight of the Lord, so the Lord took his life" so it would never have gotten to the point where she had Perez by Judah which again was sinful.

    Get it now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Full quote as you seem to not understand my question "God is the one who gives souls. If they hadn't sinned then I would eventually have been born into a sinless world and everything would have been allright." (emphasis mine)

    How can you have been born if your parents didn't exist?
    I would have been born by different parents ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I would have been born by different parents ?
    Do you understand biology Colonel?

    You are a unique combination of genes half coming from your dad and half from your mum. And they too are unique for the same reason and they were and will be the only ones with the genes which came together to create you.

    You can't have different parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunFromOz View Post
    Do you understand biology Colonel?

    You are a unique combination of genes half coming from your dad and half from your mum. And they too are unique for the same reason and they were and will be the only ones with the genes which came together to create you.

    You can't have different parents.
    Depending on definitions within biology you can be seen as a collection of millions of cells that are independent organisms that merely cooperate as in a hive. They shed some, grow some new ones, until there are practically none left that were there to begin with. They reprogram themselves along the way and when they eventually all die, "you" are gone.

    But you are not your body. You are a human spirit presently living in a human body that is according to my description above.

    Like I said in a post above, this is non-Cessationist Christianity 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    But you are not your body. You are a human spirit presently living in a human body that is according to my description above.
    And there I though I was spirit, soul and body (1Thess 5:23).

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Like I said in a post above, this is non-Cessationist Christianity 101.
    Cessationism in Christianity is the doctrine that Apostolic gifts ceased with the original twelve apostles.

    Sorry but I can't see a link between the gifts of the spirit ceasing and the idea that you could have been born to different parents.

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