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    What donald trump can teach td jakes and hillsong's brian houston

    "Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air" (1 Cor. 14:7-9).

    Although the subject here is the gift of tongues and interpretation, the point being made is to speak in order to be understood. Too many preachers are not doing that.

    GOP candidate Donald Trump is teaching preachers a lesson. Many may think he's rude and harsh, but he speaks clearly and plainly and is quite difficult to misunderstand. Most of all, the people are responding to his message.

    Perhaps we as preachers have robbed ourselves by being gray instead of black and white. Perhaps we've robbed the church of more converts and true followers because we think they don't want to hear plain speech, when in fact, they do. Perhaps it is time to reconsider that in our quest not to offend them we are repelling them.

    Ambiguity has no part in the gospel. There is to be a certain and clear sound coming from our pulpits. Political correctness has no part in the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a preacher cannot speak clearly about the tenets of the faith, especially as it relates to such a sacred subject like marriage he doesn't belong in the pulpit. He needs to get out and find another occupation. A politician might better suit one of such cowardice.

    "You be careful when anybody comes to you with a sugar-coated pill or with a slimy tongue. They are always of the devil. The Spirit of the Lord will always deal with truth."
    — Smith Wigglesworth

    The root of the problem here is money, friends, and influence. Many preachers who are in the limelight will seek to talk in such a way as to not lose money, friends, and influence. Such preachers need to be reminded that our loyalty is not to people but to the truth. I don't care how many favors the people have done for you or how much of a friend they may be. I don't even care if they are close relatives. To prefer them over Jesus and the Scriptures is to be a traitor to the highest cause.

    Both Elijah the prophet and Elisha his successor coined this phrase, "As the Lord God of Israel lives, before whom I stand..." (1 Kings 17:1, 18:5; 2 Kings 3:14, 5:16). Paul, the apostle coined a similar expression, "For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ" (2 Cor. 2:17).

    In both Elijah's and Paul's day, as it is today, there were many false prophets and apostles who peddled the word of God for money, favor, and influence. However, Elijah and Paul ministered in the sight of God. They were men of sincerity and truth, who feared God and hated covetousness. Such were the qualifications for leaders as far back as the time of Moses (Ex. 18:21).

    What T.D. Jakes and other high profile religious leaders do when they are faced with a direct question in a public forum is they cower down and sugar-coat things they say to avoid offense and controversy. They say it is to keep the door open for the witness of the gospel and not cut the people off that they are trying to reach. But when do you tell these people the real, plain, clear truth? The way you win them is ultimately the way you are going to keep them. If you are going to win them with unclear speech and fuzzy doctrine then you must keep them by feeding them with the same. This is the reason we have so called gay "Christians" in our churches. They don't really know where you stand because you've substituted influence for truth.

    There is no question we are to love everyone, but there are certain standards in Scripture for membership in a church that professes the Lordship of Jesus Christ. "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore 'put away from yourselves the evil person'" (1 Cor. 5:12-13).

    In case you didn't know the subject at hand that Paul is addressing, here it is:

    "I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person" (1 Cor. 5:9-11).

    Paul is addressing habitual sin, especially sexual immorality in the church. In this case, it was incest. Paul was commanding the Corinthian Christians not to keep company with sexually immoral people who call themselves a brother (or a sister).

    Here is a shocker for many: Exclusivity is a part of kingdom culture. Say what? That's right. There is an exclusivity in Christianity. That would include gay "Christians". Our sympathetic views toward this celebrated group in our culture is a form of cowardice and low esteem for the standards laid out in Scripture. Yes, you will be called hateful and bigoted. But that has been our problem.

    We want to blend in with the pop culture instead of stick out. We don't want to be hated or misunderstood. But isn't that also a part of our kingdom culture?

    "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you" (Jn. 15:18-19).

    Yet in all this, we are not to exclude the world. We are to keep company with them just as our Lord and Master taught us (Lk. 15:1-2).

    The issue of habitual sin is a church and kingdom issue, not a world issue. I trust that Mr. Jakes and Mr. Houston in attempting to love the sinner, in this case the LGBT community, will find the wisdom to do so without compromising the Scriptures. Love with truth, compassion with conviction, mercy with might – that is the certain sound that everyone should be hearing.

    Anything else is speaking into the air.

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    Trump has his pluses and minuses....and his plain spoken common sense is very refreshing. I will say that for certain.

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    Well, Trump likes single-payer health care so he's not all bad.

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    I heard him say the other day that single payer would not work in this nation so he would not support that and instead he would support opening all states to all insurers so free market economy / competition could keep prices low.

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    ^ Yes, that's true, but I also heard him say (during the debate) that single-payer is working very well in Canada and Scotland.

    In the past, he's spoken favorably of single-payer even with respect to the US:

    Fifteen years ago, on the subject of single-payer health care, Trump wrote that he was “a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one.” He argued that America needed to “reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing,” and “improve on the prototype” of the Canadian single-payer system. -- http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ressive-issues

    And the same article points out other progressive positions that Mr. Trump has taken:

    Against cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid:
    Many potential presidential candidates on the right — Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, et al. — have spoken about the need to cut out-of-control spending on entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. In April, asked why he didn’t support any cuts to these programs, Trump responded that “even tea-party people don’t like” the idea and that the real problem in America was the loss of “manufacturing jobs to China.” He said that he was “gonna make us rich again” so that we wouldn’t “have to” cut entitlement spending.

    For a wealth tax:
    Trump may refuse to cut spending on entitlements, but he also knows that Social Security is approaching insolvency. In 2000, he proposed a solution: “a one-time 14.25 percent tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth over $10 million.”

    Against free trade:
    Trump is as big an opponent of free trade as Bernie Sanders is today. Trump has said that he’d “love to have a trade war with China,” and has argued that the Trans-Pacific Partnership “is an attack on American businesses.”

    In favor of Supreme Court decision that expanded eminent domain while diminishing property rights
    The Fifth Amendment allows for “eminent domain,” a procedure by which the government make take private property for “public use” as long as “just compensation” is provided. June marked the tenth anniversary of the Kelo decision, in which, as Robert VerBruggen puts it, the Supreme Court held that “public use” could include, well, private use, so long as the new property owner paid more in taxes than the previous one. In other words, it allowed developers and the government to gang up on homeowners. The developer gets more land, the government gets more tax money. The only losers are the original owner and his property rights. In 2005, when Kelo was decided, Donald Trump told Fox News that he happened to “agree with [the decision] 100 percent.” A genuine conservative would have more regard for private property rights.

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    The responses seem to miss the point of the article. It's not about Trump per say, but about how some of the well known pastors and preachers of today are not straightforward in their responses to the media as Trump supposedly is. I am not a TRump fan (I am very much for Ben Carson because he loves the Lord) but the fact that most people know exactly where Trump stands on most issues whereas our "favorite" pastors have to issue multiple clarifications before anyone gets an idea of what they really believe (and then their clarifications still often need to be claified) is the behavior exhibited by TRump that the article writer is asking to be imitated.

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    Yes, I got off on a bit of a tangent.

    Straightforwardness about one's positions is of course a virtue, but one problem with Mr. Trump is that his stated positions have changed a lot, which makes it difficult to know whether he's really being straightforward.

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    Christians should not need healthcare by the arm of the flesh... Jesus took our sickness, disease, and infirmities upon Himself so we could be free from this sort of thing.

    The reason we see so many more miracles in third world countries is because they don't have any other option but to either believe in the witch doctor (and get demon possessed in the process), or believe in the healing power of Jesus Christ when Christians come to their area that actually believe and act on God's Word.

    I learned long ago that the power of the Holy Spirit keeps me well as I keep Him as my Plan A... and refuse to have any Plan B (Medical Science) since a double minded man can receive nothing of the Lord due to their Plan B choking out God's Plan A which is counting on Him to keep us well.

    The hand of the Lord is not shortened that He cannot heal and deliver... but if man turns to other means, God will let them pursue those means since He cannot force anyone to accept all that Jesus has paid for.

    This is why we see some many Christians dying early, and of course satan brings people to blame God claiming God refused to heal them.

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    njtom....again...pleasepleasepleaseplease! We are a nation of 330,000,000 people and our demographics are not anywhere in the same universe as these European nations progressives keep trying to compare us to. The third world, uneducated, element, we keep bussing in here by the thousands are on public assistance, costing us in the billions. We cannot possibly go to any sort of single payer, nor can our demographics absorb the cost. We have inner city violence that is off the chain, compared to any European city. In case you don't understand my point....emergency surgery/trauma from gunshots, etc.....costs this nations well into the billions, if not hundreds of billions.

    I am stunned that people don't understand this.

    Quote Originally Posted by njtom View Post
    ^ Yes, that's true, but I also heard him say (during the debate) that single-payer is working very well in Canada and Scotland.

    In the past, he's spoken favorably of single-payer even with respect to the US:

    Fifteen years ago, on the subject of single-payer health care, Trump wrote that he was “a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one.” He argued that America needed to “reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing,” and “improve on the prototype” of the Canadian single-payer system. -- http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ressive-issues

    And the same article points out other progressive positions that Mr. Trump has taken:

    Against cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid:
    Many potential presidential candidates on the right — Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, et al. — have spoken about the need to cut out-of-control spending on entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. In April, asked why he didn’t support any cuts to these programs, Trump responded that “even tea-party people don’t like” the idea and that the real problem in America was the loss of “manufacturing jobs to China.” He said that he was “gonna make us rich again” so that we wouldn’t “have to” cut entitlement spending.

    For a wealth tax:
    Trump may refuse to cut spending on entitlements, but he also knows that Social Security is approaching insolvency. In 2000, he proposed a solution: “a one-time 14.25 percent tax on individuals and trusts with a net worth over $10 million.”

    Against free trade:
    Trump is as big an opponent of free trade as Bernie Sanders is today. Trump has said that he’d “love to have a trade war with China,” and has argued that the Trans-Pacific Partnership “is an attack on American businesses.”

    In favor of Supreme Court decision that expanded eminent domain while diminishing property rights
    The Fifth Amendment allows for “eminent domain,” a procedure by which the government make take private property for “public use” as long as “just compensation” is provided. June marked the tenth anniversary of the Kelo decision, in which, as Robert VerBruggen puts it, the Supreme Court held that “public use” could include, well, private use, so long as the new property owner paid more in taxes than the previous one. In other words, it allowed developers and the government to gang up on homeowners. The developer gets more land, the government gets more tax money. The only losers are the original owner and his property rights. In 2005, when Kelo was decided, Donald Trump told Fox News that he happened to “agree with [the decision] 100 percent.” A genuine conservative would have more regard for private property rights.

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    I would really like Ben Carson to win. He has a gentle, and honest way about him. I find him very inspiring.

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