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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    A simple question for you. If the person in question is sanctified through and through, are they still "born this way" ? What is the result ?
    Even though the spirit of a person can be saved, cleansed , born again their soul can be in bondage to many things.
    The process of sanctification begins where God uses the Word to cleanse our soul and free us from bondages

    When a persons sexuality is corrupt it takes a deep work of the Holy Spirit and homosexual bondages are worse than heterosexual ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Even though the spirit of a person can be saved, cleansed , born again their soul can be in bondage to many things.
    The process of sanctification begins where God uses the Word to cleanse our soul and free us from bondages

    When a persons sexuality is corrupt it takes a deep work of the Holy Spirit and homosexual bondages are worse than heterosexual ones
    So in other words, the person would become a heterosexual ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    So in other words, the person would become a heterosexual ?
    That should be the ultimate goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    That should be the ultimate goal
    In that case, the person wasn't fundamentally born a homosexual. Per the imprint God has lain down in a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    In that case, the person wasn't fundamentally born a homosexual. Per the imprint God has lain down in a person.
    Not really addressing you, just using your post as a springboard to address something TT posted.

    No one is 'born' anything. Babies are born innocent. Even if they were born with a 'sin nature', that's just a predisposition to sin, not specific sins or characteristics. When a person thinks they 'have been gay as long as I can remember', all that means is that that particular tempation came to them at an early age, and not knowing what temptation actually is since they are not Biblically grounded as children (or as adults for that matter if it happens later in life), they interpret it as 'being born that way' or 'being that way' instead of recognizing it for what it is, a temptation and drawing toward that particular sin. If they had a knowledge of God and how to resist the devil at this early stage, it could be resisted in its seed stage just as any other sin and the person would never become a homosexual. It's no different than if they were tempted at an early age or any age to kill someone, but didn't give into it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    It must be incredibly difficult for those born with SSA and wanting to live as a believer.

    This is why I believe all humans are born in sin through the fall of Adam...everyone has sinful latent tendencies which start to manifest later in life.
    I vehemently disagree one is born this way, for reasons stated above (and other reasons).

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    Genes, the environment and specific experiences may contribute to a larger probability of experiencing such attractions but that I know of, there is no strong correlation between anything specific and those attractions, it seems to come down to the individual rather than specific physical factors. Even strongly pro-gay researchers don't dare claim anything more than something like "the totality of the factors determine the orientation", meaning they can't point out anything specific. Which makes that more of a personal belief than anything else.

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    Everything in the Bible that addresses this, suggests choice as a determining factor. Abandoning the natural for the unnatural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    Everything in the Bible that addresses this, suggests choice as a determining factor. Abandoning the natural for the unnatural.
    Exactly. Romans 1.

    How can God hold people accountable for how they are born? Sinners make being 'born this way' a refuge of the lie they're living in. And they reason how can they be held accountable for how they were born? And they would be correct. All sin is a choice, thereby all can be held accountable for their sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Exactly. Romans 1.

    How can God hold people accountable for how they are born? Sinners make being 'born this way' a refuge of the lie they're living in. And they reason how can they be held accountable for how they were born? And they would be correct. All sin is a choice, thereby all can be held accountable for their sin.
    This ties in with the doctrine of original sin that originates from Catholicism where people are born sinful. I agree with you that if nature comes before choice (and therefore dictates that choice) then the person would be innocent. Guilt necessitates choice.

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    So if homosexuality is merely a choice (even if influenced by other factors), then heterosexuality must also be a "choice." Can you tell me about the day you "chose" to be heterosexually attracted?

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