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    Last year I was helping an ex Mormon who was so screwed up because of all the baloney they teach. The most difficult part was he kept saying 'I know or understand those verses' because he learnt it from Mormon church who use the Bible to teach.

    The problem was he never really understood like saved Christians because twisted in the verses was Mormon doctrine and he then would say outlandish things.
    That's what makes it so dangerous...it sounds christian but is totally demonic. It is like giving someone ice cream to enjoy but mixing in poison.


    I experienced the false spirit. Not long after I was saved and ignorant they came to my door. Started speaking with them and tried to share the Word and then I got a headache and my head started to spin and was confused.

    When they left I was thinking, what just happened this is crazy.

    BAD FRUIT - heachache, dizziness, confusion, couldn't share the Word


    100% they are not saved - they need to totally renounce the false Jesus, be properly water baptised and get prayer.

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    I think the problem is that many of us who meet Mormons and get to know them find that they often make better Christians than the Christians we know. Their home life seems more stable than most Christians. Their kids are often better behaved than Christian kids.

    We went to Hawaii in March and stayed with a business acquaintance of my wife's. We did not know they were Mormons. They soon figured out we were evangelical Christians. We got along fine and then one evening as we drove to a volcano with them, the husband could hold it in no longer and he asked point blank what we thought it meant to be a Christian and (basically) did we think they were Christians. I talked about the need to be born again, which, I don't think they teach. I talked about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and so on. They just sort of nodded as if they understood and agreed. I tried to slip in the foolishness of needing all the man-made add-on stuff that religions add to Christianity. I mentioned Catholicism as an example. Again they agreed. I was hoping they'd realize all the add-on stuff Mormons have (the underwear, the temple marriages, the two-year missions, etc. etc. etc.).

    We never went much farther with them, but I came away believing they are not saved, but very nice people. They did concede they believe that we and other evangelical Christians are "saved." (Their version of saved, that is).

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    the problem with those discussions is they're using totally different meanings for the words being used.

    for example, their definition of WHO Jesus is is VASTLY different from the Biblical Jesus.. so, while you're using words with definitions you think everyone holds, there is a HUGE barrier because it's not the same vocabulary at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodismyJudge View Post
    If I remember correctly, the "burning in the bosom" is actually supposed to be the confirmation to one that Mormonism is the Truth, and one is supposed to experience it at home alone asking God for this confirmation.

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    I'm not sure about the home alone part, but yes ... I believe they encourage you to ask, experience the "proof", and commit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    We never went much farther with them, but I came away believing they are not saved, but very nice people. They did concede they believe that we and other evangelical Christians are "saved." (Their version of saved, that is).
    That's a fascinating change in the LDS church; they used to believe they were the only saved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Last year I was helping an ex Mormon who was so screwed up because of all the baloney they teach. The most difficult part was he kept saying 'I know or understand those verses' because he learnt it from Mormon church who use the Bible to teach.

    The problem was he never really understood like saved Christians because twisted in the verses was Mormon doctrine and he then would say outlandish things.
    That's what makes it so dangerous...it sounds christian but is totally demonic. It is like giving someone ice cream to enjoy but mixing in poison.


    I experienced the false spirit. Not long after I was saved and ignorant they came to my door. Started speaking with them and tried to share the Word and then I got a headache and my head started to spin and was confused.

    When they left I was thinking, what just happened this is crazy.

    BAD FRUIT - heachache, dizziness, confusion, couldn't share the Word


    100% they are not saved - they need to totally renounce the false Jesus, be properly water baptised and get prayer.
    I'd agree that 100% of the evangelists on the door are not saved. People who grew up in a moderate Mormon family and who are sufficiently acquainted with evangelical Christianity yet haven't renounced Mormonism totally could be. It's a bit like Catholics who don't really care that much about the Marianism the RCC officially teaches. Worse, but still in the same category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femme* View Post
    the problem with those discussions is they're using totally different meanings for the words being used.

    for example, their definition of WHO Jesus is is VASTLY different from the Biblical Jesus.. so, while you're using words with definitions you think everyone holds, there is a HUGE barrier because it's not the same vocabulary at all.
    And what you are saying, Femme, is part of my point. Take Mormons and anything easily dismissed as "cult" out of the equation, and apply what I'm about to say to Christian groups and denominations.

    There are churches who earnestly believe that Jesus is vengeful, and is literally peering over the edge of Heaven at the world, biding His time, polishing His sword, waiting until His Father's wrath explodes and destroys all those evil people. There are Christians who earnestly believe that God accepts everyone. And some in between, who believe the saved guys get to Heaven and the other guys get annhilated.

    There are churches who believe Jesus was so fully God, that there was no stain of humanity upon Him - and others who believe that He laid down 100% of His deity when He came on-planet. He lived as Man, died as Man, rose as Man, ascended as Man.

    There are churches who believe He was so sinless, His mom stayed a virgin forever ... and those who believe that the virgin birth isn't all that important.

    I could go on, but my coffee cup is running dry :coffee:

    Are all of those folks Christians?

    Part of my questioning on this goes this way: When the door to door people come, and they try to lead you into their religion, they're fairly orthodox in what they are teaching. They don't go off on spiels that would send most people running. They preach Jesus not that much differently than "orthodoxy" does (see this page: https://www.mormon.org/beliefs/jesus-christ).

    If a person read that page there, recognized their need for Jesus, repented and invited Him to come, and then began attending a Mormon church, would they be saved?

    I guess at the core of my question is this -- what IS a Christian? When we strip it all down to Jesus plus nothing, and we remove even our advanced understandings of who He is, what are the bare bones that we're left with?

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    "The one who has the Son has life, the one who does not have the Son does not have life"

    This is a matter of actuality, the presence of the Holy Spirit seals us for redemption. God is the one who judges in the end, including about whether or not he can find his Son in the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaySharpe View Post
    Krystian said that in another thread ... wanted to toss this "out there" ...

    I've always, always, always held that Mormons are not, cannot, simply AIN'T, saved. Their doctrine is pretty hideous and I don't know that we need to debate it past a certain point.

    Except that recently, through my oils business, I've gotten to know some Mormons on more than a casual level ... and in so doing, see their faith. Listen to them pray. Listen to them intercede when tragedy strikes (a teenage boy was severely burned in a fireworks explosion and fortunately lived and is thriving now). Listen to them worship Jesus. Even, on occasion like today, listen to them prophesy (a whole 'nother subject, there).

    I have to say I was surprised ...

    If the "standard" is Jesus (and I believe we all say that He's the standard), how much understanding of Him does one have to have in order to be saved? At one point does error "keep you out" ... and if error can keep you out, who's going to heaven, the baptists, the pentecostals, the catholics, or the lutherans? If you don't believe in free will (or, if you do) ... If you're an Arminian or a Calvinist (remember all those ugly debates ... in which you'd think we were discussing a different Jesus altogether)... or if you believe in future judgment, or if you believe judgment was settled on the cross? If you hold a sign that says "I'm a Christian, God hates fags" or you love fags, or you are a fag?

    And, given all of that .. are Mormons all that different outside that mix?

    Unless one accepts Jesus, THE Jesus, for their sins they are lost. Can born again people be mislead by religious twists and traditions? Sure, in the Bible we see that many were confused by their roots in Judaism. But at some point the Holy Spirit is going to lead them out of the cultish practices if they are truly pursuing the true and living God and reading and studying HIS word...

    Some, will choose their religious roots over their faith unfortunately...if we have Mormon friends it would do us well to determine the essential truth of their religion that would be the spin of truth they practice. By that I mean do they accept Jesus, the Messiah, Diety, Son of God, Immanuel...do they understand He alone is the source of their salvation? It seems to me as long as they embrace the Book of Mormon over the Bible there is little hope of that.

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    There are many sincerely religious LOST people...they practice their faith faithfully, express it to the best of their ability in their life and families...but none of that matters when it comes to salvation.....that is exactly what Jesus meant when He told the rich young ruler, "Why do you call Me good? There is none good but the Father.' Jesus knew the heart of this man only saw HIM as a faithful Jew and determined He was GOOD because of it...this also revealed he thought himself to be good as well because likewise he was a faithful practicing Jew.

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