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    Racial Repentance

    This might kick off a firestorm, but it's been bugging the heck out of me for a couple of years now. Brought back up to the surface by Asuza.

    The trendy thing is for white folks to repent to black folks, native folks, and other folks that our ancestors may have harmed and that we, evidently, simply by breathing, continue to offend.

    I have no issue with repenting for stuff that I have done, and generically no issue with the FIRST TIME somebody says to somebody else, "Wow, it sucks that your family was oppressed that way, I'm sorry it happened."

    But what does this continual repentance and foot-washing at every big event really do? I mean, how many times does it need to be done (often by the same people, again and again)... Seriously? It's surely not the Gospel.

    When will we stop repenting to one another for the cameras and start getting on with Kingdom business?

    (Note: I do believe that what I'm talking about was probably a TINY portion of what's happening at Asuza, I surely don't want to throw that move of God (which I believe it is) or the people who are doing it under the bus. Just questioning if there's some sort of purpose to it all that I'm not seeing for some reason.

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    Didn't Lou Engle kiss some catholic priest's feet or something in repentance of whatever it was 'we' were supposed to have done against Catholics?

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    I know that they kissed each other's feet (I think the Catholic guy went first). Not sure the circumstances.

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    Identificational repentance.


    nah...bad idea, bad theology.

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    I do think when there is national sin, there must be national repentance. I do not think we have done that. There's no question that the devastation to families during the Civil War was a judgment against America for the sin of slavery and I'm not sure we're not still reaping from that sin because we have failed to fully repent, nor have we taken steps in keeping with repentance.

    Naturally I'm very concerned about what this nation will face as a result of our national sin of abortion. That's another sin we have yet to repent of. Of course, trying to speak to non-Christians about repentance from any kind of sin--national or otherwise--falls on deaf ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuego View Post
    Didn't Lou Engle kiss some catholic priest's feet or something in repentance of whatever it was 'we' were supposed to have done against Catholics?
    I watched that live. Lou shouted that it was the Holy Spirit just before he did it which suggests that his part wasnt planned in advance. The man was an Italian leader among Catholic Charismatics and the idea seemed to be unity among Charismatics rather than ecumenicism.

    To begin with the idea of the Catholic Charismatic in kissing Lou Engle's feet was to include Protestant charismatics under the same banner but Lou ended up returning the gest.

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    My impression of the racial reconciliation part of the Azusa gathering was that it was more about minorities being asked to forgive and embrace reconciliation rather than the majority trying to repent in some way.

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    Sometimes asking for forgiveness such as this would open the door for healing..sort of like hating yourself or someone who has died and you can't FIX it...I would not call this a doctrine of theology but if the Lord led me to do that I certainly would.

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    I've been in racial reconciliation services that were VERY powerful. One was with Wellington Boone, who has lead white supremacists to the Lord (he is black).

    I honestly don't think most white people, "get it". But I think black people do.

    My only beef is this. I know in Richmond where I live....and you have to understand this was one of the main ports where slaves were bought and sold. Also, the main money wheel was downtown Richmond in Shockoe Bottom (ironically where a lot of Lincoln was filmed). Here, I've been at many citywide Church gatherings for the purpose of prayer. And this would be done over and over and I was like.....how many times does this have to be done in order for something to "take"? It really seemed to be done in the flesh after a while. But it was very useful and necessary and to be honest, there aren't tons of racial issues in Richmond. I think a large of "why" is because our leaders embraced this.

    Also, Wellington Boone repented for any bitterness blacks had towards whites and the whole thing was very powerful. So I have seen it and witnessed and been a part of it and it was totally God.

    If you don't get it, that's ok. I do.

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    hm.. maybe it's a time and place thing.

    I can understand the impact that was made in the service where you were Catchy, but I also can understand the frustration with the get-on-this-bandwagon mentality.

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