Thread: Racial Repentance

Folks please enough of the repenting ...start walking in the manifest glory of God and 99% of all these issues will become none issues

I agree with BAP.



that's odd

Originally Posted by CatchyUsername

I've been in racial reconciliation services that were VERY powerful. One was with Wellington Boone, who has lead white supremacists to the Lord (he is black).

I honestly don't think most white people, "get it". But I think black people do.

My only beef is this. I know in Richmond where I live....and you have to understand this was one of the main ports where slaves were bought and sold. Also, the main money wheel was downtown Richmond in Shockoe Bottom (ironically where a lot of Lincoln was filmed). Here, I've been at many citywide Church gatherings for the purpose of prayer. And this would be done over and over and I was like.....how many times does this have to be done in order for something to "take"? It really seemed to be done in the flesh after a while. But it was very useful and necessary and to be honest, there aren't tons of racial issues in Richmond. I think a large of "why" is because our leaders embraced this.

Also, Wellington Boone repented for any bitterness blacks had towards whites and the whole thing was very powerful. So I have seen it and witnessed and been a part of it and it was totally God.

If you don't get it, that's ok. I do.

I travelled South Africa in 2001 and 2004. Being a witness as a rich, white Christian was a hard task in rural Ethiopia but it may be one of the hardest things I have ever done when in South Africa in 2004. Recall that apartheid lasted until the 1990s.

Originally Posted by BAP

Folks please enough of the repenting ...start walking in the manifest glory of God and 99% of all these issues will become none issues

Some times seeing Jesus manifested in a man or woman from a totally different background or from across a deep cultural chasm can make an enormous impact on people.

In some sense, individuals identify with the nation in which they live; they have personal identities as well as national identities. I'm a particular person living at a particular time, but I'm also an "American". National identity includes a whole set of values and beliefs, as well as a particular social/economic position in the world.

A person living in a particular nation both benefits from and suffers from the achievements and failures of that nation's ancestors, even if he has only recently arrived. So, in a sense, I do see the appropriateness of apologizing for past sins, as long as it is understood that the person is apologizing not as an individual but as a member of his nation.

This is a good discussion folks.

Originally Posted by curly sue

This is a good discussion folks.

Yes, i'm very pleased with the way it's going ... I thought it was going to be divisive but I like the flow.

I totally disagree. I think it's more of a Spirit thing. If the Spirit says, "Lay down your life in repentance towards a deeply disenfranchised group because (and this is the key), in the same manner, Jesus humbled Himself, even to the point of death.....and I will bring healing and deliverance to many", then that is the Spirit leading the thing.

Now this is the question I have for the whites that don't get it.

Why is it such a big deal, and why does it bother you so much? I know...YOU didn't commit atrocities and YOU didn't do anything to minorities, and you love all people, etc....but what if your actions actually bring healing to someone who has been deeply hurt by whites or whatever. What if your washing their feet and asking for forgiveness on behalf of what whites have done unleashes something stored up? I mean...wouldn't you do that, would you not humble yourself if it will bring healing?

I guess knowing the history of this country and the fact that blacks were still getting lynched in the 60s it just doesn't seem to be a big deal.

I think most white people forget that many people still alive suffered brutality that whites have never seen or been privy to. I bet Romans828 could tell us some terrible stories about what she has lived through. We simply aren't that far removed from a very sordid, brutal, history in terms of race relations.

That said, I do think that in today's climate, what with all the race hustling, safe spaces in colleges, and exploitations of non-events, twisting of stats, etc.....that it gets tiresome to deal with this, BUT, I'm certain that the main reason it was brought up at Azusa was specifically because now there is a race war that has come to the US (something I warned about 8 years ago). The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but they are might in God! We have to go about this fight with spiritual weapons, not carnal ones.

Sorry to go so long, didn't mean go, and I'm not directing any of my comments towards you Femme, except for the first paragraph. I just got to answering your question and I got a bit long-winded.

Originally Posted by Femme*

hm.. maybe it's a time and place thing.

I can understand the impact that was made in the service where you were Catchy, but I also can understand the frustration with the get-on-this-bandwagon mentality.

The church should be leading the way in repentance and restoration. We should be proactive in this, along with several other areas. Welfare, for instance. Churches should make sure their people are taken care of by the Body of Christ first, before going to the government. The gay issue is another area where we should be proactive instead of reactive. We have the message of healing, but we don't deliver that message. Abortion, too. Thank God for the pregnancy crisis centers, that's a huge lifesaver, literally. Homelessness too.

The church has the answer for many of our ills, but we aren't proactive about implementing them.