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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    I actually posted scripture and you say it's an anti berean approach? How about YOU post scripture saying it's a sin?
    You didn't really read my post as I didn't say it was necessarily a sin to buy a lottery ticket

    What I said was your spinning of scripture was anti-Berean because you want to believe that's the context of the verses you used
    Also can you prove you were Holy Spirit lead or just a natural desire to buy a ticket

    I am not judging you buying tickets
    I am judging your spinning of scripture (taking it out of context) to justify yourself and were you lead by the HS as that is the standard you say believers should operate


    It's according to our conscience whether we buy or don't buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    You didn't really read my post as I didn't say it was necessarily a sin to buy a lottery ticket

    What I said was your spinning of scripture was anti-Berean because you want to believe that's the context of the verses you used
    Also can you prove you were Holy Spirit lead or just a natural desire to buy a ticket

    I am not judging you buying tickets
    I am judging your spinning of scripture (taking it out of context) to justify yourself and were you lead by the HS as that is the standard you say believers should operate


    It's according to our conscience whether we buy or don't buy
    Yes, I read your post. You stated I was not being BEREAN. And you questioned MY motive..I don't believe I was spinning it...the scripture speaks for itself...as they were gathered praying, reading scripture and waiting for the promised Holy Spirit they saw where the scriptures stated another should take the place of Judas and they cast lots after choosing 2 that had been with Jesus from the beginning..and I don't see that God at any point reprimanded them for it...
    There are numerous examples of decisions being made in the presence of the LORD by casting lots.

    It's according to our conscience whether we buy or don't buy

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    In Joshua 18 Joshua cast lots 'in the presence of the LORD' to divide the land.

    In 1 Chronicles 24 Temple service was allotted basted on cast lots and since the names were listed it can be pretty much a given that GOD approved the appointees.

    God allowed Jonah to be found out as the cause of the trouble for the ship and crew by casting lots...

    What we find is that God on occasion used this practice to reveal His will...so if it was SIN it would seem to me He would not have used it to guide the people as that would be approving a sinful practice.

    Now I do believe that we are to be led by Holy Spirit but I also believe He could, because He did in the past, opt to pull monetary wealth to a believer for His purpose.

    All these examples have something in common..they were to determine the will of GOD so they were done in faith with a pure heart. Whatsoever is not of faith is a sin.

    Now..those who say all gambling is sin, period...the ball is in your court to prove that with scripture.

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    Equating buying a lottery ticket to casting lots as explained in the Bible is big spin.
    It's like putting flour, water, sugar and eggs in a washing machine spin cycle and out pops a pavlova

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Equating buying a lottery ticket to casting lots as explained in the Bible is big spin.
    It's like putting flour, water, sugar and eggs in a washing machine spin cycle and out pops a pavlova
    I think the main question is if believers today have the faith to "cast lots" and call it God's leading. I'm not talking about buying a lottery ticket as a passtime to see if one happens to be lucky. Joshua and the apostles had that faith. It wasn't a 1 in a hundred million thing though, it was a matter of deciding between only a few options. Not of trying to gain wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal TT View Post
    Equating buying a lottery ticket to casting lots as explained in the Bible is big spin.
    It's like putting flour, water, sugar and eggs in a washing machine spin cycle and out pops a pavlova
    If you say so...but as per my first 'un- berean' post it was used for both in the NT..to determine God's will for Judas' replacement and to decide who would get Jesus' robe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    I think the main question is if believers today have the faith to "cast lots" and call it God's leading. I'm not talking about buying a lottery ticket as a passtime to see if one happens to be lucky. Joshua and the apostles had that faith. It wasn't a 1 in a hundred million thing though, it was a matter of deciding between only a few options. Not of trying to gain wealth.

    I don't think the odds or the purpose can determine whether He leads or not as the examples in the Bible had various odds and purposes.

    The point is GOD manifested His will AT TIMES through the act of essentially 'rolling dice'.

    Anyway, it's still up to the individual...

    Did Holy Spirit lead me to play? Not sure...I could say since I did not win He must not have but whose to say the ones I bought were needful for someone else to win? All I know is I was compelled...I prayed and I bought...and I have no conviction about it...and felt no remorse or sense of loss when I did not win.

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    God had nothing to do with Roman soldiers casting lots for Jesus' robe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel View Post
    God had nothing to do with Roman soldiers casting lots for Jesus' robe.
    One more time...sigh....first, it WAS prophesied if I recall..secondly that is my point...sometimes He did and sometimes He did not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quest View Post
    One more time...sigh....first, it WAS prophesied if I recall..secondly that is my point...sometimes He did and sometimes He did not...
    The Romans soldiers weren't trying to fulfill prophecy when they cast lots for Jesus' robe. It cannot be employed as an example of someone doing anything useful at all.

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